So did Zadavia and Opimatus make a truce, or is she going back to her planet to make sure she's watching him?

did duck do somthing heroic and did zadavia say thanks and did the others respect him more

what did she do?

I really hope there will be a season 3

Hi!

WaterJewelEmi wrote:

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RevRunner wrote:

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So did Zadavia and Opimatus make a truce, or is she going back to her planet to make sure she's watching him?

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They made a truce.

 

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I wonder how long this truce will last.

What happened with Deuce and Rupes in this episode?

WaterJewelEmi wrote:

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Just aired here in the UK and it was a good episode.

Spoilers alret here:

At the end of the episode Zadiva has decided to leave and go back to her planet with her brother. She made the loonatics gaurdians of the universe and Ace said they should live on planet Blanc, since it is the center of the Universe. So if there is a season 3 they can travel to any planet in a flash using the worm holes around.

Just hope there is.

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Hm. What will happen with Acmetropolis when the Loonatics are now live on planet Blanc? Who will protect the city, the planet from villains, invaders from outer space, etc.?


I hope for a third season too.

Lumosnight wrote:

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Guys, do you realise what this means.......

There'll be no Tech/Zadavia! Nor any other Loonatic with Zadavia!

And it's kinda ridiculous for Loonatics to remain on Blanc. What'll happen with Acmetropolis?

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The worm hole machine is on planet blanc, so they use that to get to acmetropolis in a flash.

I've just seen the ep for myself now and well, it produced mixed reactions in me. The sequence of events was good, but i can't help but feel some of the Loonatics were under-used (like Slam, Tech and Rev). C'mon i at least expected a decent combat scene for each of our heroes, but most of their fighting was inferred rather than shown, except for Ace, who had the best fight sequences (predictably). But the plot developments were exciting and i thought the design concept for the wormhole generator was impressive. The episode would have satisfied me if only there had been a little more showcasing given to Tech, Rev and Slam. So story-wise, it was enjoyable, but use of some characters left more to be desired. To me at times, it kinda felt like the Loonatics were just random players inserted into a big story plot. I didn't really feel that they were integrated and involved participants in this story really, detached somehow. I don't know maybe it's just me. Tho' i will say that Zadavia and Ace got impressive action. Ace and Deuce’s showdown was climactic! And I think that’s the first time I’ve ever seen Ace so worn out! He actually collapsed! The Acers are gonna love that! And it was nice seeing the Loonatics getting their hands dirty, literally! Now only if we could have seen ‘how’ they were actually getting themselves dirty in their fights! The humor attempts I could’ve done without as well tho’. Those were just…not so funny. Duck’s final ‘despicable’ line which they were all having a good laugh about at the end was, imo, a forgettable way to end the ep.

 

But with the way that the S2 finale concludes, I feel it is not an ending I would qualify as a ‘series’ ending. To me it feels like an ending that should lead onto further developments in a third season. With what Zadavia said at the end to the Loonatics about them up until this point just being heroes in training, and that they now are ready to take on the responsibility of universal defenders, I think that is more indicative of a new beginning for the Loonatics. If they move onto a third season, the Loonatics should be working at a new ‘advanced’ level. What Stella says about series that return as new shows with altered titles could fit the bill for a third season of LU if they go through with it imo! Let’s just keep our fingers crossed!

WaterJewelEmi wrote:

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RevRunner wrote:

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So did Zadavia and Opimatus make a truce, or is she going back to her planet to make sure she's watching him?

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They made a truce.

 

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 Weird. I thought this type of thing would take a long time.

Not quite. They actually both agreed to have a truce and say that fighting side by side is the ideal thing to do.

I'll admit the episode was kind of confusing.... Geez I hope they will be a season three how many seasons did Xiaolin Showdown have?

Man, oh man, this kills so much of what I had planned. I knew I was going to regret not working on my fan episodes, and now I`m left with slimmer options than ever. I don`t want to make my stories into an alternate universe, but at the same time there`s so little potential for my ideas now, that I don`t know what to do. I have one possible idea, though.

Everyone, I think I`m going to create a topic that gives a brief sumamry of every episode in the season I was writing. If you don`t want any spoilers, don`t look at it, because I`m going to hide nothing. I`m hoping at least one person will look at it, because I want an opinion of whether I`ll be able to adapt the season to fit with Season 2`s ending.

Black Oracle, I seek your advice more than anyone else`s, yet at the same time I was hoping to surprise you the most. If you or anyone else want to go see it, I`m going to write it not long after this post.

-- Edited by Crossfire at 14:10, 2007-05-05

Don't worry, Crossfire. As the saying goes: Where there's a will, there's a way!

IMHO, Alternate Universes aren't a bad thing. DC comics just brought back the concept of a Multiverse (and there's even something of a Megaverse which is alleged to be the notion of multiple Multiverses.*)

Perhaps, your fan episodes can take place in a divergent universe which eventually folds back into the main universe. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those wormhole entranceways don't lead to alternate realms of possibilities.

I'm sure a lot of LU fan fiction stories have been rendered out of canonical continuity. But, I feel that doesn't make those stories any less worthwhile enjoyment.

*Gosh; I wish Loonatics Unleashed could also continue as a comic but written on the level for teens and older. Kiddy comics such as Teen Titans: Go are a little too bland for my tastes.

cheriestar wrote:
did you see when zadavia twisted that robots head with her legs? does she use thighmaster or something?

-- Edited by Super Freak at 15:31, 2007-05-05

doggirl2772 wrote:

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Black Oracle wrote:

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 Ace and Deuce’s showdown was climactic! And I think that’s the first time I’ve ever seen Ace so worn out! He actually collapsed! The Acers are gonna love that!

But with the way that the S2 finale concludes, I feel it is not an ending I would qualify as a ‘series’ ending. To me it feels like an ending that should lead onto further developments in a third season. With what Zadavia said at the end to the Loonatics about them up until this point just being heroes in training, and that they now are ready to take on the responsibility of universal defenders, I think that is more indicative of a new beginning for the Loonatics. If they move onto a third season, the Loonatics should be working at a new ‘advanced’ level. What Stella says about series that return as new shows with altered titles could fit the bill for a third season of LU if they go through with it imo! Let’s just keep our fingers crossed!

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Your sooooooo right B_O!

We finally got to see a vaulnerable Ace!! OMG I just felt like running up and catching him when he collapsed. Ya, brave, heroic Ace is good but..... seeing him like that made me wanna go and hug him (as if i wouldn't want to already) and it shows that, just like everyone else, he has his limits.

As for the ending, I think that theres a pretty decent chance now that there will be a third season. This is just the next step for the Loonatics (a pretty big one at that! from heros in training to galatic warriors!) And besides, I think this might be the last chance for the LT's to stay on the air, even if it isn't them in person.

Think about it. The WB wouldn't have much choice if they wanted to continue the LT dynasty without the Loonatics or any of the other LT related shows coming back. They have done:
-them as babys
-their kids (or something along those lines. I think there were two different shows about this)
-their desendents -Loonatics (of course)

the next step would be the desendents of the Loonatics (oh, imagne the uproar that would cause!) or earlier desendents (just before the Loonatics). Either way, I'm not sure if they would become a hit or not. They'd either be closer to LT or closer to LU.

And ya, them staying at planet Blanc kills all of my fanfics. But, just think of all the new posibilitys!

Gah...I'm thinking to much!

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yeah,the episode ending pretty well kills most of my fics too. but i'll just consider mine alternate world fics:)

Bah! I give the episode a 5.5 >__>;;

Is it REALLY so much to ask to have everyone an equal role in an episode!!?!??!? ESPECIALLY a FINALE?!?! I don't think I've ever wanted to strangle Ace more =_=; (Sorry Acers)

But...it had its moments. Zadavia kicking butt is always cool. And it was interesting seeing Duck care so much about Tweetums (even though it kinda seemed like he cared a little TOO much. I had thought he'd try to swipe the bird and sceptor while close to Deuce).

But what's with the mud? Seriously. Ace trips ONCE. Then he comes back looking like he just wrestled with a pig. I mean, I do understand the importance of looking like they just had the toughest battle yet, but kids aren't that fragile. At least put in a few cuts or something. Even TMNT had bruises after hard battles.

But...I suppose since it doesn't look like a final ending to the series, I can raise it to a 6. Hopefully KidsWB will make the right choice and continue one of their only good shows.

And also...Optimatus turning good.........ew. That was so easy it makes me sick DX (Hopefully he's just laying low so he can try and kill Zadavia later while her guard is down. MAWHAHAHAHA!! >D )  

-- Edited by Animefangirl11 at 17:04, 2007-05-05

I couldn't agree more with you Anna. It's a pain in the neck to watch your favorite show when your it seems like your favorite character isn't even in it. It makes the entire show boring for you when the best things are cut out and if there will be a third season, that better all change.

I think alot of the reason for why Optimatus changed his goals fairly quickly was because he had actually believed for a while that his sister was truly dead, and as her brother, this saddened him. He must have been relieved when he saw that Zadavia was alive. I guess family love indeed was Optimatus' final salvation. And if he had to change then that's a good enough reason i think. I don't really have any qualms with the final fate of Zadavia and Optimatus. It was a decent enough way to end their roles to the Loonatics.

But as Super Freak says about Tech and Rev, you could almost forget that they were there! They come and save Ace and the others when they were buried under rubble and then Ace just assigns them to watch Tweetums! Didn't he think that he'd need all the help that he could get to take on Deuce and his robot army?

I think this ep struggled in trying to handle too many characters in too short a space of time. It was working under the formula that the larger the cast the more grander the story will be. And although the story was of a greater scale than usual, certain individual characters suffered as a result of having to share limited story space with others.

But it was nice to see the Loonatics get a little bit more 'gritty' in their fights in this ep. It'd be nice to see a bit more of that.

I certainly don't think this S2 ending is any way to end the series as a whole. It really did feel more like it was setting up for a new chapter in the Loonatics' adventures for me. I sincerely hope this S2 conclusion is supposed to lead onto a newly staged season 3! One where the Loonatics would be working on their own without the watchful eye of their benefactress Zadavia, and on new plains now that they're going to be based on Planet Blanc with access to wormhole technology that can take them anywhere or anytime in the universe! Please don't let this show end here WB!

Sometimes you may come up with other ideas for stories in which to place those 'moments' you'd like to write about Crossfire. You can sometimes come up with more than one way to reach those points i find. But really, i think it's better if you can give yourself a little more freedom with how you want to write your stories. Don't restrict yourself too much with trying to make it fit in with canon. Enjoy the writing process!

I was rather disappointed with this episode, to be honest.  "The Fall of Blanc" had some great setups in it, but WB virtually ignored them all, and the ending was in many ways abysmal, IMO.  Now for a breakdown of my thoughts:

After seeing "The Fall of Blanc", I was really excited because the ending suggested that the final ep might have the 'tics engaged in epic battle on two fronts, Rev and Tech awesomeness trying to keep Deuce's robo-army from escaping Acmetropolis, and the other four dealing with Optimatus on Blanc.  The preview on KidsWB.com kinda shot that, but I was still hoping that Rev and Tech would be more involved for a change.  Instead they were marginalized even more than usual.  I knew Ace vs. Deuce would be played up, as well as Duck and Tweetums, but jeez!  It's the bloody season (and possibly series) finale!  Everyone should get at least a little glory!

I have absolutely HAD IT with Tweetums!  He had been just an annoyance, but now he's become an ass, if you'll pardon my French.  I generally don't care for disemboweling people, but in his case, I'll make an exception.

Deuce definitely lost some villain points this time around.  How many times did he say something along the lines of "destroy them!"?  Lame-o.

Ace's battle with Deuce needed some work, too.  The overall action was well done, but I was disappointed by how boring their two swords were.  Both were ostensibly powerful weapons from Freleng, yet Ace and Deuce could just as easily have been using blades taken from a medieval history museum.  The ending seemed a bit contrived, as well.  How did Ace know how to control the wormhole generator to banish Deuce, and why was the G.S.S., a weapon from a completely different planet, able to interface with it?  I can almost buy that the latter has something to do with the G.S.S.'s hidden powers, but that still leaves the first question unanswered.

Optimatus turning good made about as much sense as trying to buy groceries with Monopoly money.  Seeing the error of his ways is something that happens with a villain that clearly has good buried in him from the beginning, which was definitely not the case Optimatus.  Suddenly losing his thirst for unlimited power is something that would not happen with any villain, under any circumstances, ever.  Period.  Way to kill the 'tics' only real archenemy, WB.

The 'tics' physical condition after the battle didn't make much sense, either.  Some cuts and bruises, yes, but random dirt that came from... where, precisely?  They were on a mechanical construct in space, not on the ground.

"Guardians of the Universe"?  Puh-leeze!  Perhaps I've become a bit jaded in my old age, but couldn't the writers have come up with something less cheesy?  Besides, victory in this battle didn't mark the achievement of any significantly higher levels of hero skill than had previously been demonstrated.  I mean, with the 'tics AND Zadavia AND Optimatus against him, Deuce didn't have a snowball's chance in hell.  

Staying on Blanc is a load of crap, too.  I find it hard to believe that they'd uproot like that on Ace's whim, leaving friends, family, and everything they've ever known for no good reason.  If they need to get somewhere, a wormhole can just as easily be opened from Acmetropolis to wherever as from Blanc.  All they have to do is get on the horn with Tweetums.  There's also the minor detail of having to build a completely new headquarters when they already have a perfectly good one, and then move a mountain of equipment.  I suppose that all slipped beneath Ace's keen fighter's wit.

On the plus side, Zadavia finally got to kick some butt.  Her escape from Deuce was the best, because she was being clever rather than just using her powers to destroy stuff.  I'm also glad that she's returning to Freleng.  Her character became rather useless this season, so IF the show comes back for a third season at some point, the 'tics can finally stand on their own feet.

A small visual thing that made me smile was Rev and Tech's battle suits.  Unless my eyes deceived me, the hip/crotch/butt area was given their respective colors, while the others suits were simply black.

Tech (to Rev):  I've designed our battle suits a little differently from the others, to emphasize our strengths. ;)


While WB certainly left the door wide open for continuing the show, this ep, and the ending especially, had a rather unsettling air of finality to it.  I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I fear LU may end here.  All the more reason to keep telling WB to pick up again LU mid-season or next fall.  A single voice can't do much, but many voices can.  Put those e-mail accounts to good use, people!


Sorry, didn't mean to sound so negative.  I didn't hate the ep and it did have some good points, it's just that the bad things far outnumbered the good.

Hmmm... that gives me a fan fic idea  !

Skifox wrote:

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I was rather disappointed with this episode, to be honest. "The Fall of Blanc" had some great setups in it, but WB virtually ignored them all, and the ending was in many ways abysmal, IMO. Now for a breakdown of my thoughts:

After seeing "The Fall of Blanc", I was really excited because the ending suggested that the final ep might have the 'tics engaged in epic battle on two fronts, Rev and Tech awesomeness trying to keep Deuce's robo-army from escaping Acmetropolis, and the other four dealing with Optimatus on Blanc. The preview on KidsWB.com kinda shot that, but I was still hoping that Rev and Tech would be more involved for a change. Instead they were marginalized even more than usual. I knew Ace vs. Deuce would be played up, as well as Duck and Tweetums, but jeez! It's the bloody season (and possibly series) finale! Everyone should get at least a little glory!

I have absolutely HAD IT with Tweetums! He had been just an annoyance, but now he's become an ass, if you'll pardon my French. I generally don't care for disemboweling people, but in his case, I'll make an exception.

Deuce definitely lost some villain points this time around. How many times did he say something along the lines of "destroy them!"? Lame-o.

Ace's battle with Deuce needed some work, too. The overall action was well done, but I was disappointed by how boring their two swords were. Both were ostensibly powerful weapons from Freleng, yet Ace and Deuce could just as easily have been using blades taken from a medieval history museum. The ending seemed a bit contrived, as well. How did Ace know how to control the wormhole generator to banish Deuce, and why was the G.S.S., a weapon from a completely different planet, able to interface with it? I can almost buy that the latter has something to do with the G.S.S.'s hidden powers, but that still leaves the first question unanswered.

Optimatus turning good made about as much sense as trying to buy groceries with Monopoly money. Seeing the error of his ways is something that happens with a villain that clearly has good buried in him from the beginning, which was definitely not the case Optimatus. Suddenly losing his thirst for unlimited power is something that would not happen with any villain, under any circumstances, ever. Period. Way to kill the 'tics' only real archenemy, WB.

The 'tics' physical condition after the battle didn't make much sense, either. Some cuts and bruises, yes, but random dirt that came from... where, precisely? They were on a mechanical construct in space, not on the ground.

"Guardians of the Universe"? Puh-leeze! Perhaps I've become a bit jaded in my old age, but couldn't the writers have come up with something less cheesy? Besides, victory in this battle didn't mark the achievement of any significantly higher levels of hero skill than had previously been demonstrated. I mean, with the 'tics AND Zadavia AND Optimatus against him, Deuce didn't have a snowball's chance in hell.

Staying on Blanc is a load of crap, too. I find it hard to believe that they'd uproot like that on Ace's whim, leaving friends, family, and everything they've ever known for no good reason. If they need to get somewhere, a wormhole can just as easily be opened from Acmetropolis to wherever as from Blanc. All they have to do is get on the horn with Tweetums. There's also the minor detail of having to build a completely new headquarters when they already have a perfectly good one, and then move a mountain of equipment. I suppose that all slipped beneath Ace's keen fighter's wit.

On the plus side, Zadavia finally got to kick some butt. Her escape from Deuce was the best, because she was being clever rather than just using her powers to destroy stuff. I'm also glad that she's returning to Freleng. Her character became rather useless this season, so IF the show comes back for a third season at some point, the 'tics can finally stand on their own feet.

A small visual thing that made me smile was Rev and Tech's battle suits. Unless my eyes deceived me, the hip/crotch/butt area was given their respective colors, while the others suits were simply black.

Tech (to Rev): I've designed our battle suits a little differently from the others, to emphasize our strengths. ;)


While WB certainly left the door wide open for continuing the show, this ep, and the ending especially, had a rather unsettling air of finality to it. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I fear LU may end here. All the more reason to keep telling WB to pick up again LU mid-season or next fall. A single voice can't do much, but many voices can. Put those e-mail accounts to good use, people!


Sorry, didn't mean to sound so negative. I didn't hate the ep and it did have some good points, it's just that the bad things far outnumbered the good.

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Actually, you're right. The episode was pretty off, especially with Optimatus. Optimatus being a hero would be good because of no more crimes, but at the same time confusing. Something like a grudge between two people in some way realistically does not end so quickly. Optimatus and Zadavia have parted from each other for a good reason and it looks to me that it's hard for them to stay angry with each other. Even Terrence and Jerry (Totally Spies) will never make a truce. The writers from that series know that a serious grudge lasts for a long time and the W.O.O.H.P agents need an enemy to fight against. Aside from Rev being in the background more than usual, I have complaints about this episode. The action between Deuce and Ace had sword fighting, instead of actual martial arts battle. Zadavia has never really fought physically, but used Rupes's guitar and her usual super powers. She was clever, but she and the Loonatics just seem to be fighting with super powers, rather than having an actual battle with enemies they encounter, which makes the series kind of boring. More comedy between Duck and Rev was definitely needed because those teo make a really good comedy duo. The first time I saw The World is My Circus with Duck apologizing to Rev for calling him a disgrace to the bird community and when Rev yelled at him for stealing cookies from his statch, I found that to be one of the most funniest bits out of the entire show. But now, when I watch both seasons, it's getting to a point where Ace, Lexi and Duck get all of the action and the show just looking like a half fast job, entertainment wise; I'm starting to think that Loonatics is not what it used to be for me. The only thing I seemes to be interested is to watching Rev on the screen, hoping he will do something or say something funny and even being part of the action. But, what I hope for just never seems to happen. I sort of like to watch Ace and Duck, but it depends what they say or do in order to get my attention.

 

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They become the guardians of the universe? Isn't that a little far-fetched? How the hell are they going to protect every single planet at the same time in a place where there is no end?

And you're right about leaving friends and family back on Earth - they may have wormholes back to Acmetropolis but it's still not the same as being home. They won't eat pizza anymore! What will they eat on Blanc? Birdseed?

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It was part of Zadavia's (equally cheesy) parting words to the 'tics.  She said something to the effect of: "Until now you have been heroes-in-training, but now you are ready to become guardians of the universe."  It was also roughly at this point that Ace suggested the relocation to Blanc, so they got to phail at leadership together. -_-;

Wormholes are precisely the reason they don't need to leave Acmetropolis.  They let you get from Point A to Point B in a flash, but Acmetropolis is just as viable a Point A as Blanc is.  The wormhole system would be pretty cumbersome if every wormhole had to either begin or end at the wormhole generator, and based on everything we've seen regarding wormholes over the course of the series, that isn't the case.

I thought it was great. Optimatus showed signs of a heart after all. There was a lot of double-crossing though. Definately no honor among bad guys.