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    Yeahm wordy title.  But it got your attention didn't it?
    So today, I was re-reading C.S Lewis' The Magician's Nephew, and I came across the word 'deucedly'.  I asked my dear articulate mum what it meant exactly, and she told me something that almost made me jump out of my seat.   She said that 'deuce' is an old-fashioned word for the devil. 
    I hopped out of my chair and scrambled over to the nearest working computer to look the word up on dictionary.com just to be sure. I foudn this:

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source deuce 2  premium.gif  speaker.gif   (dōōs, dyōōs)  Pronunciation Key 
n.  
  1. The devil: "Love is a bodily infirmity . . . which breaks out the deuce knows how or why" (Thackeray).
  2. An outstanding example, especially of something difficult or bad: had a deuce of a time getting out of town; a deuce of a family row.
  3. A severe reprimand or expression of anger: got the deuce for being late.
  4. Used as an intensive: What the deuce were they thinking of?
    She was indeed right, and it got me thinking.  Both Ace's and Deuce's names refer to playing cards.  (according to dictionary.com, an ace is "a playing card or die marked with or having the value indicated by a single spot." while a deuce is "a card having two pips; a two, or two-spot."  So, they're like Thing One and Thing Two.)  Even if categorize the two of them by "good" and "bad", they might not be so different.  In this case, hero and villian just might be the same in a lot of ways. 
   To begin with, we get the clearest glance at Ace's 'darker side' in It Came From Outer Space.  He fervently declares that if Melvin wants a war, they'll give him a war.  The audience would be quick to defend his words, no matter how irrational; after all, isn't it all for cherished friend and team mate, Lexi?   But consider: he never seems to wonder, let alone ask, if Lexi, his other fellows on the team, or any innocent person on Earth who might suffer from a war with a better armed planet if they'd think this would be the best thing to do.
    No matter how neccesary it can be in some unfortunate cases, war itself is a tragedy.  You cannot have a war without innocent people suffering.  Why would Ace think he would have the right to make that kind of choice?  Were his words just empty noise, or is there some twisted part of him that would allow anyone to suffer as long as he had his way?
    Big question.  It would be hard to imagine Ace as anyone else than the cheerful, cool guy we know him as.  But then again, a lot of us probably had that impression of Deuce when we first saw him also, before he stabbed Ace in the back.  (not literally)  How do we know that Ace's everyday behavior isn't simply covering up something more monevolent inside of him, just a constructed identity?  Again, just like Deuce?
    If only he got pounced by that parasite-thing from Family Business; we'd get to see what he really is and we'd see all Hell break loose.   At least it might make an interesting fan fic. 
    Next time I watch Secrets of the Guardian Strike Sword, I'll get to the part where Lexi says "Sounds like you and Ace have a lot in common," and scream "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T SAY THAT WOMAN!!!" 
    Any thoughts and insights? Think there might indeed be more to Ace than meets the eye?  How might this affect a possible third season? 
   



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[Hmm...Nice logic, but I'm not sure if it'll effect the third season.]

[Even if he got attacked by the..."thingamajig" (Hehehe...)...I doubt all heck would break loose.  Maybe a few fights here and there, but nothing really big.  Sure, he says that if Melvin wants a war, they'll give him a war, but that shows that he cares for his teammates...Maybe he meant that only his team would bring on the war, not innocent people...Although I can see what point you're trying to get across.  It also could've been an empty threat, which I think it is.]

[I think there might be more to Ace than what meets the eye, but I don't think he'd be that mean.]

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Kenny McCormick wrote:

[Hmm...Nice logic, but I'm not sure if it'll effect the third season.]

[Even if he got attacked by the..."thingamajig" (Hehehe...)...I doubt all heck would break loose. Maybe a few fights here and there, but nothing really big. Sure, he says that if Melvin wants a war, they'll give him a war, but that shows that he cares for his teammates...Maybe he meant that only his team would bring on the war, not innocent people...Although I can see what point you're trying to get across. It also could've been an empty threat, which I think it is.]

[I think there might be more to Ace than what meets the eye, but I don't think he'd be that mean.]



There's a lot more to it than simple 'meaness'. Everyone is capable of meaness. Few people are capable of outright evil. This doesn't automatically make Ace a wolf in bunny's skin so to speak; it just means that seeing as how he's had a rather morally questionable moment, and is in a position of great power, there might be trouble someday if he is ever in an especially diffcult position. Ace isn't a 'mean' person. In the end, he's just a guy who's doing his best like everyone else. Everyone on the team is a basically good, but that doesn't mean they never feel uncertain. (and I believe they have.)

And yes, I do believe if the parasite from Family Business did attach to him, it would be Hell. When that thing gets attached to people, their deepest desires surface, and apparently in extremely destructive ways. There's also the fact Ace has his uber-powerful sword, which could make him capable of more wide-scale damage in that state. The team would have to fight someone they've depened on for a long time. It would be a fight, yes, but not an easily resolved one provided the writer has credibility.


:EDIT: Thanks, though. 



-- Edited by Anna at 18:05, 2007-05-28

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Anna wrote:

 

Kenny McCormick wrote:

[Hmm...Nice logic, but I'm not sure if it'll effect the third season.]

[Even if he got attacked by the..."thingamajig" (Hehehe...)...I doubt all heck would break loose. Maybe a few fights here and there, but nothing really big. Sure, he says that if Melvin wants a war, they'll give him a war, but that shows that he cares for his teammates...Maybe he meant that only his team would bring on the war, not innocent people...Although I can see what point you're trying to get across. It also could've been an empty threat, which I think it is.]

[I think there might be more to Ace than what meets the eye, but I don't think he'd be that mean.]



There's a lot more to it than simple 'meaness'. Everyone is capable of meaness. Few people are capable of outright evil. This doesn't automatically make Ace a wolf in bunny's skin so to speak; it just means that seeing as how he's had a rather morally questionable moment, and is in a position of great power, there might be trouble someday if he is ever in an especially diffcult position. Ace isn't a 'mean' person. In the end, he's just a guy who's doing his best like everyone else. Everyone on the team is a basically good, but that doesn't mean they never feel uncertain. (and I believe they have.)

And yes, I do believe if the parasite from Family Business did attach to him, it would be Hell. When that thing gets attached to people, their deepest desires surface, and apparently in extremely destructive ways. There's also the fact Ace has his uber-powerful sword, which could make him capable of more wide-scale damage in that state. The team would have to fight someone they've depened on for a long time. It would be a fight, yes, but not an easily resolved one provided the writer has credibility.


:EDIT: Thanks, though.



-- Edited by Anna at 18:05, 2007-05-28

 





[Well, I only said "mean" because I was trying to put it lightly...although "evil" now seems appropriate.]

[And about the Alien Parasite (Thingamajig)...I now see your point.  With his Guardian Strike Sword, it would bring Acmetropolis to its knees.  It could even bring the end of the Loonatics.  But you never know.]

[...]

[I now have an idea for a fanfic.  Thank you.  Hehehe...]

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Kenny McCormick wrote:

 

Anna wrote:

 

Kenny McCormick wrote:

[Hmm...Nice logic, but I'm not sure if it'll effect the third season.]

[Even if he got attacked by the..."thingamajig" (Hehehe...)...I doubt all heck would break loose. Maybe a few fights here and there, but nothing really big. Sure, he says that if Melvin wants a war, they'll give him a war, but that shows that he cares for his teammates...Maybe he meant that only his team would bring on the war, not innocent people...Although I can see what point you're trying to get across. It also could've been an empty threat, which I think it is.]

[I think there might be more to Ace than what meets the eye, but I don't think he'd be that mean.]



There's a lot more to it than simple 'meaness'. Everyone is capable of meaness. Few people are capable of outright evil. This doesn't automatically make Ace a wolf in bunny's skin so to speak; it just means that seeing as how he's had a rather morally questionable moment, and is in a position of great power, there might be trouble someday if he is ever in an especially diffcult position. Ace isn't a 'mean' person. In the end, he's just a guy who's doing his best like everyone else. Everyone on the team is a basically good, but that doesn't mean they never feel uncertain. (and I believe they have.)

And yes, I do believe if the parasite from Family Business did attach to him, it would be Hell. When that thing gets attached to people, their deepest desires surface, and apparently in extremely destructive ways. There's also the fact Ace has his uber-powerful sword, which could make him capable of more wide-scale damage in that state. The team would have to fight someone they've depened on for a long time. It would be a fight, yes, but not an easily resolved one provided the writer has credibility.


:EDIT: Thanks, though.



-- Edited by Anna at 18:05, 2007-05-28

 





[Well, I only said "mean" because I was trying to put it lightly...although "evil" now seems appropriate.]

[And about the Alien Parasite (Thingamajig)...I now see your point. With his Guardian Strike Sword, it would bring Acmetropolis to its knees. It could even bring the end of the Loonatics. But you never know.]

[...]

[I now have an idea for a fanfic. Thank you. Hehehe...]

 



Ooh!  Is it an evil idea?  Will it fill me with delightful schaudenfreude? biggrin

 



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[It's a very, very, very evil plan.  Hehehehe...]

[I just need to plan it out...]

[You'll get credit for this fanfic...Thanks again!]

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So 'Deuce' is an old word for the devil? Very interesting to know indeed Anna!

Lexi said "Sounds like you and Ace have alot in common." in response to Deuce's "You might say i have a habit of being in the wrong place at the right time.". I suppose that's the trait Lexi had been referring to when she said that statement about him and Ace.

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Black Oracle wrote:

So 'Deuce' is an old word for the devil? Very interesting to know indeed Anna!

Lexi said "Sounds like you and Ace have alot in common." in response to Deuce's "You might say i have a habit of being in the wrong place at the right time.". I suppose that's the trait Lexi had been referring to when she said that statement about him and Ace.




   I know; pretty weird trait anyway though.  But sometimes what people say can be really ironic later, which I think is a chilling, yet neat possibility in this case.  Or I just like looking for clues for eventual doom.  ^_^
    I was pretty riled up when I learned deuce is synonomous with the devil.  It's just so appropriate for Deuce.  I wish I knew about it earlier. 
  

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