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Most obvious relationship it seems. Both rabbits, BugsxLola in Space Jam, etc.


Only thing from stopping me from officially pairing them is: Are they related?


Bugs and Lola have a thing in Space Jam. Lexi is a descendant of Lola, as with Ace and Bugs.


Could they be siblings? The show hasn't pointed it out really, but it's your call.



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I would like to think they are, but knowing WB they won't be and will probably be paired off. I don't approve, but I have to accept it.

To WB (or CW): please prove me wrong and show that you are not so unoriginal that fans can predict your moves 6 months in advance.

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Kinda funny how a completely different show would have the same plot as another sometimes, making it not-so-different. 


We'll just have to wait and see.



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i will like to see that

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I would like to think they are, but knowing WB they won't be and will probably be paired off. I don't approve, but I have to accept it. To WB (or CW): please prove me wrong and show that you are not so unoriginal that fans can predict your moves 6 months in advance.


          yeah but its not like they care what we have to say,think about it the show is appleing to kids 6-11,its not like they are thinking or disscusing the same things we are they just want to watch the show,they dont care who gets paried up with who.


some of the people here are 20 years old or older the wb didnt know that 20 year olds would care.



-- Edited by loonaticfan at 13:56, 2006-07-28

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          yeah but its not like they care what we have to say,think about it the show is appleing to kids 6-11,its not like they are thinking or disscusing the same things we are they just want to watch the show,they dont care who gets paried up with who.


some of the people here are 20 years old or older the wb didnt know that 20 year olds would care.



-- Edited by loonaticfan at 13:56, 2006-07-28



It's true, i'm 22! Loonaticfan is probably right. Ace and Lexi probably won't be related coz the creators don't expect alot of the young audience to have seen Space Jam and know about Bugs and Lola's relationship. I always thought it was rather obvious that Lexi was included in the Loonatics line-up so that she could be paired up with Ace. If the creators had just wanted a female member in the Loonatics team, they could have used a female Tweety or some other female looney tunes character (I'm almost certain they'll make Tweety female in the future! Hmm, but then there would've been three birds in the loonatics team). Why else have two rabbits in a team?        

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maybe they wont get paired up at all,its not like kids are actually going to care if they got together,and the wb knows this,kids just want to watch the show not look at people lock lips.


 


P.S or do they?



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loonaticfan wrote:



P.S or do they?




I highly doubt that, especially after my own experiance with a eight-year-old.

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loonaticfan wrote:



          yeah but its not like they care what we have to say,think about it the show is appleing to kids 6-11,its not like they are thinking or disscusing the same things we are they just want to watch the show,they dont care who gets paried up with who.


some of the people here are 20 years old or older the wb didnt know that 20 year olds would care.



-- Edited by loonaticfan at 13:56, 2006-07-28



It's true, i'm 22! Loonaticfan is probably right. Ace and Lexi probably won't be related coz the creators don't expect alot of the young audience to have seen Space Jam and know about Bugs and Lola's relationship. I always thought it was rather obvious that Lexi was included in the Loonatics line-up so that she could be paired up with Ace. If the creators had just wanted a female member in the Loonatics team, they could have used a female Tweety or some other female looney tunes character (I'm almost certain they'll make Tweety female in the future! Hmm, but then there would've been three birds in the loonatics team). Why else have two rabbits in a team?        



          no what I'm saying is that there is a possablity,that ace wont get paired up with lexi at all,I 've said it before and I'll say it again,KIDS DO NOT CARE AND THE WB KNOWS THIS<THEY DONT KNOW THAT THERE ARE 13 22 15 18 25 ETC. YEAR OLDS WATCHING THE SHOW.I mean how many kids are actually disscusing the same things we are.

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Oh, OK. Well i guess Lexi was just thrown into the team coz they needed a female member then. But i think Lexi will always be the closest to Ace out of all the other team members.  

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P.S or do they?




I highly doubt that, especially after my own experiance with a eight-year-old.




Eight-year-old?! *sigh* I won't even ask....


I don't want to admit to an Ace/Lexi pairing, but if they had just wanted a female character, then why not Tweetie, who is far more popular than Lola? Unless Kids' WB wants to mess with our heads?


Bottom line: Don't trust Warner Bros. to make any sense at all.



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I don't want to admit to an Ace/Lexi pairing, but if they had just wanted a female character, then why not Tweetie, who is far more popular than Lola? Unless Kids' WB wants to mess with our heads?

You have a point about Tweety being more in the public's eye than Lola. Most of the kids who watch the show now were either unborn or in diapers when Space Jam and the Lola merchandise came out. And Space Jam may have been was a moderately succesful movie, but I doubt a whole lot of 2-11 year olds have taken the time to rent or buy it.

Hate to go off on a tangent, but I think this one thing is worth pointing out. It's about why Lola has so deeply sunken into the depths of obscurity. The most obvious reason is that her role in Space Jam was minor and not very mermorable. (Fans of hers will disagree, I bet, but if the shoe fits...) But if you thought like a businessman, which I am starting to prefer to do, the reason for her lack of visibility today is because Warner Brothers did not establish an effective long-term plan for her back when she was first concieved for Space Jam. I don't mean long term as in about three or four years. I mean long term as in they know what they are going to do with her in the long run that will keep public interest.

The problem was that Lola merchandise might have been profitable for a couple years, but there was one thing someone didn't keep in mind: the kids who bought the stuff were going to grow out of it very quickly if they didn't have some sort of deeper emotional attachment to Lola, as in have true "fan-love".

So there you have it. The original buyers of Lola stuff grew out of it in less than a year, and the youngersters after them likely never saw the movie and therefore had no reason to get it because it wasn't "hot" at the time.

But one question is hanging in the air. If Lola is so obscure, why are they using a character based on her in a show that WB really badly wants to succed? (Yes, that's the *real* point of the post, but bear with me.) I don't know. I like Lexi, but I bet some WB executives can't figure out for the life of them why she's in the show. The writers MIGHT have special plans for her, but let's cross our fingers that her role in the show possibly extends beyond being royal arm candy.






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Hey, everyone, I`ve joined up now. I`d just like to state that on the subject of whether Ace and Lexi are related, I`d just like to apply some advanced logic here for a second.


Now, it`s the year 2772/2773, right? That`s the equivalent to 11 generations or so between Ace and Bugs`s bloodlines (yes I dare to use the lead rabbits in both cases). Now, we all know even if two people come from the same family, that if they`re even just three generations apart in genetics (aka third cousins), they`re almost as different as two completely unrelated human beings.


Now, here we have a case of where Ace and Lexi could be as distantly related as eleventh-generation cousins. If just three generations` genetic distance can render two people completely compatible in a relation, just imagine the difference of almost four times that.


So, even if Ace and Lexi were related (which they should be, in fact, if Bugs and Lola held their relationship together) they could still have a romance without it being incest because they could be so distantly related, that the similarity in the DNA would be negligible.


Of course, KWB`s never going to put that in a kids` show, plus I get the feeling if there is any romantic relation between Ace and Lexi, it`s currently one-way on Lexi`s end. For some reason I feel Ace would be completely oblivious to Lexi`s feelings (if there are any of that specific nature), so Ace and Lexi wouldn`t really be a couple in my eyes, at least not yet, but simply Lexi having a crush on Ace (I`ve noticed she hasn`t ever tried to flirt with a guy on the show, not even as lightly as LU`s age group would allow).



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The Ace/Lexi relationship might be a bit more mutual than we thought.  I was rewatching Achmegeddon part two on youtube, and for the first time I could analyze Ace in that scene.  He seemed plenty pleased about the hug, but what got to me was his body language after Lexi stopped the embrace and hits him on the arm.  He looks at her with a sad, dejected expression you would see on a kicked puppy, and is touching the place on his arm where she hit him.  It seems like he got his hopes up for a moment, but then deflated when Lexi hit him on the arm and said "You scared us!" 


I think I have an idea of why he's not actively pursuing her (other than lack of interest): he's so completely under the impression that there's no chance that she will ever "like" him, he won't even bother.  "Getting shot down when I wasn't even trying was bad enough" might be his thoughts behind that.    



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smile.gif You just made me smile, Anna. Now I`ve gotta watch that ep again and see what you`re talking about! By the way, it`s still my favorite episode. Duck got to be cool, Lexi showed us she may like Ace (I say may, because we still don`t know for certain), and Ace showed us that rather cool decision for a leader willing to go down for his team if he has to (I`ve always admired that kind of sacrifice).


Say, looking at what you said, wouldn`t it be funny if Ace was actually the one with a crush on Lexi, and she instead is just friends with him for now? Maybe she was embarassed by that hug due to her tough girl image, and just didn`t want anyone assuming something?


Still, Lexi`s much more likely to be the one holding a torch...assuming it`s not mutual, of course. Heck, I always assumed it would be when I very first saw the paper ad, I believe in a StH Archie Comic (I might`ve even expected the occasional flirtatious comment delivered on the go, like compliments on performance coupled with less-professional comments or even just friendly jokes followed by the amused chuckle).


Just because a pairing`s predicatable doesn`t mean people don`t like it. In fact, I think some people like it better when the two chars they expect to get together actually do; unexpected pairings actually tick some people off (`cuz they find it disappointing that the two involved didn`t pair up with the chars they expected them to).





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I'm SO sorry for not replying sooner. Busy busy day.

You just made me mile, Anna. Now I`ve gotta watch that ep again and see what you`re talking about!

You're welcome! I never got to tell you this before, but I've always loved reading your posts; they always have lots of thought-provoking content and ideas.

Say, looking at what you said, wouldn`t it be funny if Ace was actually the one with a crush on Lexi, and she instead is just friends with him for now? Maybe she was embarassed by that hug due to her tough girl image, and just didn`t want anyone assuming something?

I wonder about that too. Ace crushing on Lexi wouldn't be too outlandish, but I think his main obstacle would be that they never have any privacy. And I think she WAS embarassed by the hug, which makes me think the writers were making a personal insight on how our society seems to think that girls need to be cold, unfeeling ice queens in order to be strong women.

Still, Lexi`s much more likely to be the one holding a torch...assuming it`s not mutual, of course.

Yep. Though she'd steadfastly deny it....

Just because a pairing`s predicatable doesn`t mean people don`t like it. In fact, I think some people like it better when the two chars they expect to get together actually do; unexpected pairings actually tick some people off (`cuz they find it disappointing that the two involved didn`t pair up with the chars they expected them to).

I agree with that too. I'd really hate if it turned out that the Ace/Lexi hints were just a red herring for, say, Duck/Lexi. I think another reason unexpected pairings tick poeple off is that the reason they're so unexpected is because the writers didn't build up to it. It's much harder to effectively build up a romance, and make a majority of the audience have a desire to see them together (or at least tolerate it.)

Which reminds me. While some people are under the impression that Creep from the Deep had tons of Duck/Lexi hints (without making any direct referances or citing quotes) they miss out on one big anit-hint: at the beginning of the episode, Lexi is leaning over the side of the boat and ready to puke her guts out, and Duck is sitting close by, doing nothing to help her feel better. Seriously, I just LOVE how indifferent he acts while he's watching her be sea-sick.

I'd write more, but I'm sleepy, and I have school tommorow. So, later.

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I think there is a difference between an expected pairing and a cliche pairing.

Ace and Lexi strike me more as a cliche pairing. If they were to hook up, it would seem more for the sake of pairing them off, not for any true romantic feelings they may have. The hints so far are rather vague if you are not intentionally hunting for them. There has been nothing really substantial that Ace and Lexi love each other in a romantic way. The pairing, to me anyway, feels like it is really more putting the two rabbits together because their ancestors hooked up in the past.

On another note, I don't know why you consider that scene on the boat a "big anti-hint". Couples tease each other all the time, especially when it comes to the other's short comings or weaknesses. Duck isn't Lexi's slave that he has to cater to her every discomfort. She was a little sea sick. Big deal. Now if she was coughing up blood or something, and Duck did nothing to help her, I'd concede a point.

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For one, glad to hear my posts are so inspiring, Anna. Two, I thnik I need to retype a little point I made on the topic about my theory about Lexi`s existence.


You see, my theory is that she isn`t hooking up with Ace because she`s a rabbit; it`s the other way around. I think they planned for Ace to pair up with a female character, and decided to make Lexi a rabbit and Lola`s descendant to make such a notion easier to accept (what if she`d been Melissa`s descendant? Would anyone want her hooking up with Ace then?). The point is, I believe that, aside from some future role in the series, Lexi`s meant to hook up with Ace for a plotline reason, and her species matches his to make the concept a little easier to imagine.


Also, it`s very superficial to mark a piring as cliche just because they`re the same species. That`s like saying a black man and black woman pairing up is cliche; if they like each other, they`ve got the right, don`t they? Besides, Lexi already shows a lot more character than her descendant ever did; I think that`ll make for a fresh take on an old concept, don`t you think?


Let`s try looking at Ace and Lexi`s personalities rather than their species for deciding on whether they should make a date. Let`s try thinking of them as a wolf and fox (the first two animals that sprang to my mind) with all their personality traits intact; now, compare their personalities, and decide if they`d make a good pairing. That would be a good way to go about it. Judging them to be cliche "just because they`re rabbits", and are "Bugs and Lola`s descendants" is, well, dumb to me.


I say if the gloves both fit, then wear them to keep the cold off your hands. Ace and Lexi aren`t Bugs and Lola; their romance, if any, would be entirely their own, with their own conditions and their own types of feeling. Bugs liked Lola the day he met her; Ace and Lexi are taking time working together and getting to know one another. Ace and Lexi will know each other very well when and if they do finally pair up (although methinks it will be on a day-off-work basis), and they`ll have been through a lot together, making their romance much more meaningful and much more legit (they`d known each other for what, a year or two?) than the "love at first sight" (better known as limerance) that Bugs had with Lola in Space Jam (which was itself somewhat superficial. It`s a good thing cartoons are starting to portray guys as looking for more than just a curvy, well-shaped body and long eyelashes).


Just because they`re descendants doesn`t mean they should be judged by their ancestors` history. Just because your great, great grandfather and great, great grandmother hooked up, and you started dating a girl/guy who descended from the same grandparents (although s/he was still distantly related to you, like a third cousin or something), would you want your relationship called cliche because your ancestors did it once already?


Just because a formula is dated doesn`t mean it`s not good. Look at Legend of Zelda; every game gives us nearly the same explore world, beat dungeons formula, yet we`ve continued to love it for so many years. Why is that? Because it`s a reliable, familiar system that we can count on to work every time (and they do refresh it every once in a while). Likewise, I doubt they`ll pair off Lexi with Duck since that`s unreliable and unpredictable, and it could risk the ratings of the show (might make it better, but who knows). Zelda`s not going to become a turn-based RPG; I don`t think we`ll see a duck and rabbit pair up together any time soon either. But, of course, that`s just me.


I really don`t need to see any pairings on the show (since that leaves open material for our fanfictions ^_^), but if I had to choose one, it`d be Ace/Lexi. For all we know, such a pairing just might play a pivotal role in the series finale. But, right now, we`ve only seen sixteen episodes of what could become a successful series, so everything is pure speculation at this point.


*looks at post* Oooo-kay, maybe I do have a little extra time on my hands. Still, a good point elaborated never hurts, right?



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wow u people have WAY too much time on yer hands, while yer it this, can u tell me what happens when u die? u seem to be professionals at this so tell me

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For one, glad to hear my posts are so inspiring, Anna. Two, I thnik I need to retype a little point I made on the topic about my theory about Lexi`s existence.


You see, my theory is that she isn`t hooking up with Ace because she`s a rabbit; it`s the other way around. I think they planned for Ace to pair up with a female character, and decided to make Lexi a rabbit and Lola`s descendant to make such a notion easier to accept (what if she`d been Melissa`s descendant? Would anyone want her hooking up with Ace then?). The point is, I believe that, aside from some future role in the series, Lexi`s meant to hook up with Ace for a plotline reason, and her species matches his to make the concept a little easier to imagine.


Also, it`s very superficial to mark a piring as cliche just because they`re the same species. That`s like saying a black man and black woman pairing up is cliche; if they like each other, they`ve got the right, don`t they? Besides, Lexi already shows a lot more character than her descendant ever did; I think that`ll make for a fresh take on an old concept, don`t you think?


Let`s try looking at Ace and Lexi`s personalities rather than their species for deciding on whether they should make a date. Let`s try thinking of them as a wolf and fox (the first two animals that sprang to my mind) with all their personality traits intact; now, compare their personalities, and decide if they`d make a good pairing. That would be a good way to go about it. Judging them to be cliche "just because they`re rabbits", and are "Bugs and Lola`s descendants" is, well, dumb to me.


I say if the gloves both fit, then wear them to keep the cold off your hands. Ace and Lexi aren`t Bugs and Lola; their romance, if any, would be entirely their own, with their own conditions and their own types of feeling. Bugs liked Lola the day he met her; Ace and Lexi are taking time working together and getting to know one another. Ace and Lexi will know each other very well when and if they do finally pair up (although methinks it will be on a day-off-work basis), and they`ll have been through a lot together, making their romance much more meaningful and much more legit (they`d known each other for what, a year or two?) than the "love at first sight" (better known as limerance) that Bugs had with Lola in Space Jam (which was itself somewhat superficial. It`s a good thing cartoons are starting to portray guys as looking for more than just a curvy, well-shaped body and long eyelashes).


Just because they`re descendants doesn`t mean they should be judged by their ancestors` history. Just because your great, great grandfather and great, great grandmother hooked up, and you started dating a girl/guy who descended from the same grandparents (although s/he was still distantly related to you, like a third cousin or something), would you want your relationship called cliche because your ancestors did it once already?


Just because a formula is dated doesn`t mean it`s not good. Look at Legend of Zelda; every game gives us nearly the same explore world, beat dungeons formula, yet we`ve continued to love it for so many years. Why is that? Because it`s a reliable, familiar system that we can count on to work every time (and they do refresh it every once in a while). Likewise, I doubt they`ll pair off Lexi with Duck since that`s unreliable and unpredictable, and it could risk the ratings of the show (might make it better, but who knows). Zelda`s not going to become a turn-based RPG; I don`t think we`ll see a duck and rabbit pair up together any time soon either. But, of course, that`s just me.


I really don`t need to see any pairings on the show (since that leaves open material for our fanfictions ^_^), but if I had to choose one, it`d be Ace/Lexi. For all we know, such a pairing just might play a pivotal role in the series finale. But, right now, we`ve only seen sixteen episodes of what could become a successful series, so everything is pure speculation at this point.


*looks at post* Oooo-kay, maybe I do have a little extra time on my hands. Still, a good point elaborated never hurts, right?





I really don't think the writers were planning on a romance for Ace initially. For one thing, there is nothing set in stone that they are pairing them up. Second of all, all the hints that people point to as being clues that they love each other can easily be attributed to a platonic love, a deep friendship.
The writers were first looking for characters for an action show. Because they wanted to "attract the female demographic", they felt the need to include a token female character. Lola was the logical choice because the Loonatics all needed to be related to the Looney Tune characters (even loosely) and Lola was the least obscure out of the girls (population about 6). Lola was initially popular in "Space Jam", she appeared in various other specials as a bit character, was one of the more popular characters in "Baby Looney Tunes" (for those who actually watched and liked it), and she's a recurring character in the LT comics (so she's been unofficially drafted into the gang). A completely original character would be too glaring, and no one outside of true Looney Tune geeks (who would mostly be over the demographic age anyway) would know who Melissa Duck was.
Thing is Warner Bros, and cartoons in generally shy away from interspecies pairings. There has almost never been a consistant relationship between cartoon characters who are different species. The only exceptions of when they break this law are when A. one of the characters is a stunning and beautiful human, B. it is a one-shot, mostly for humor's sake, where nothing substantial comes from it. If Lexi was anything but a rabbit, the writers would no doubtedly come up with a new character for Ace to persue, who was a rabbit.
I don't consider pairings cliche if they just happen to be the same species. I do consider them cliche if the fact that they are the same species is one of the driving points behind them being paired up in the first place, despite them showing no romantic inclinations. Using your example, I would consider a pairing cliche if one of the main reasons two people are paired up is simply because they are black.

Writer 1: Well, Bernie really needs a girlfriend.
Writer 2. How about Libby?
Writer 3: Isn't Libby already involved in a commited relationship with someone else?
Writer 4: Yeah, another woman.
Writer 2: Yeah but Libby's black. And Bernie's black. And they both work at the same job. They'd be good together.
Writers 1,3,4: Fair enough.

Obviously, this is an exaggeration, but that's the line of thinking I despise in character pairings, and which I am currently seeing as a possible reason for a canon Lexi/Ace pairing.

As for not judging them as their ancestors, it would be a lot easier to do so if the writers weren't constantly going out of their way to make them just like their ancestors. They even look alike! Ace has Bug's accent, his "cool" factor, his lines, his leader status, his tendacy to be in control of all situations. Duck is egotistical, show-offy, arrogant like Daffy. Tech is a mechanical genius with a tendancy to get blown up like Wile. Lexi and Lola were both introduced as "strong, independant girls" (their words not mine) and little elseIs it that much of a stretch to suspect that maybe the writing staff might pair Lexi and Ace up because their ancestors hooked up in the past and they want to show a parallel? Bugs was sweet on Lola, so why should Ace be sweet on Lexi when all that they've shown for each other has been friendship? Unless they wanted to show their similarities to their ancestors.

I have yet to see any evidence other than vague scenes that could easily be attributed to a best friend status rather than a crush. There have been no jealousy at seeing the other dating someone else, there's been no flirting, no extended hugs, brief kisses, or even wistful looks at each other. This pairing has little (if any) substantial foundation to go on.

For a dated formula to work, it has to be done in a new and original way so that the audience does not see it coming a mile away and can enjoy it without thinking "haven't I seen this before?". If the writers were to actually drop some believable and less subtle hints and bring these two together in a new and creative way, I wouldn't mind the pairing as much. But they have yet to do so and already people are hoping for them to pair up in the show.

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you cant even tell if someone is being sarcastic on da 'net? w/e, i just think its kinda.... weird that people from THIS forum, ACTUALLY do more work typing than the producers and animators at WB that make LU! overobsessive....

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You know, for one who complains that folks can't tell when you're being sarcastic on the net, you sure can't tell either.

Overobession, like stalking, is just another way of saying "love"

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ok then you didnt say anything, i was being sarcastic about the death thing that was added to say yer all phreaks, and then u answered it for no reason, and now u say i cant tell? weirdo... and no-- its just weird that this is-- w/e, why is stalking rather illegal? cause its weird, this aint illegal tho, its degrading... well to me, im not a show freak i just watch it, and later draw it whenever im feeling the need to impress people that could hate the show, but still be impressed--

EDIT: w/e sorry, i cant be TOO honest around here

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I answered a sarcastic question in order to be funny and ironic. I guess you didn't find it so amusing. Duly noted.

I'm not sure why stalking is considered illegal. The people I stalk don't seem to notice at all, and have made no complaints. A couple of of whiners have ruined it for the rest of us.

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u stalk? ok thats even more weird-

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No one important. I have been known by those who know me to pop unexpectedly behind people where for a second ago there was no one and startle them out of their wits. That, my friend, takes stealth and practice.

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hmmmmmm, well anyway i dont think Lexi should be wit Ace cause of this: there are "furverts" and phreaks that love Lexi and want to marry her, so i dont think WB is gunna make em get together or sumthin cause even a kid's show is bound to have losers that are above 20 that become super obsessed and are into beastiality and love the characters sexually, and all WB cares about is money and probably ratings so i dunt think they wanna ruin it for all you furverts out there


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LOLThat's so true.

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mhm, i mean i WOULD want 2 have Lexi n stuff but i wouldnt do anything sexual cause thats just wrong-- i'd treat her like mah cat and all my other friends agree but sumtimes make fun of her or w/e

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No one important. I have been known by those who know me to pop unexpectedly behind people where for a second ago there was no one and startle them out of their wits. That, my friend, takes stealth and practice.



Hey i do that to my dad frequently! I always seem to scare him real easily just by popping up behind him unexpectedly. He keeps telling me that i'll be the death of him one day!



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I think I have managed to stand right behind a person for a full minute without them noticing.

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I really don't think the writers were planning on a romance for Ace initially. For one thing, there is nothing set in stone that they are pairing them up.

I agree there. I myself have pointed this out before.


Second of all, all the hints that people point to as being clues that they love each other can easily be attributed to a platonic love, a deep friendship.




True, that.


The writers were first looking for characters for an action show. Because they wanted to "attract the female demographic", they felt the need to include a token female character. Lola was the logical choice because the Loonatics all needed to be related to the Looney Tune characters (even loosely) and Lola was the least obscure out of the girls (population about 6). Lola was initially popular in "Space Jam", she appeared in various other specials as a bit character, was one of the more popular characters in "Baby Looney Tunes" (for those who actually watched and liked it), and she's a recurring character in the LT comics (so she's been unofficially drafted into the gang). A completely original character would be too glaring, and no one outside of true Looney Tune geeks (who would mostly be over the demographic age anyway) would know who Melissa Duck was.



Hey, I know who she is, and I`m no LT geek! I simply watched re-runs. Hey, I loved those shows, too, you know.


Thing is Warner Bros, and cartoons in generally shy away from interspecies pairings.


Since when? You had Sonic and Sally in SatAM, Knuckles and Rouge in Sonic X (and to a lesser extent Tails and Cosmo) Minerva Mink and her two different boyfriends from those Animaniacs shorts, Hampton and Fifi LeFume in TT, Pepe Lepew and Penelope in LT, Duck Dodgers and Martian Queen Tyranni (if you want to count Martian as interspecies) in DDot241/2C, and a number of interspecies pairings in Disney`s various works. Of course, this doesn`t really relate with the whole Ace/Lexi thing, so this is mostly just me pointing out what I percieve as contrary.


There has almost never been a consistant relationship between cartoon characters who are different species. The only exceptions of when they break this law are when A. one of the characters is a stunning and beautiful human,


That one`s new on me. When did that happen?


B. it is a one-shot, mostly for humor's sake, where nothing substantial comes from it.


Never heard of that one either. Okay, a few times on Disney`s shows, but nowhere else.


If Lexi was anything but a rabbit, the writers would no doubtedly come up with a new character for Ace to persue, who was a rabbit. I don't consider pairings cliche if they just happen to be the same species.


That`s pretty usual. After all, it`s just natural, right?


I do consider them cliche if the fact that they are the same species is one of the driving points behind them being paired up in the first place, despite them showing no romantic inclinations.



Except I mentioned that I think that`s working in reverse. She`s a rabbit because she`s intended to hook up with Ace, not vice-versa. So the prospective romance is actually the driving point behind making her a rabbit. Otherwise, she probably would`ve been Tweety`s desecendant or something. (and BTW, I do know Tweety`s a guy) If I truly thought is was just because they`re both rabbits, then I`d agree with you here.


Using your example, I would consider a pairing cliche if one of the main reasons two people are paired up is simply because they are black.

Writer 1: Well, Bernie really needs a girlfriend.
Writer 2. How about Libby?
Writer 3: Isn't Libby already involved in a commited relationship with someone else?
Writer 4: Yeah, another woman.
Writer 2: Yeah but Libby's black. And Bernie's black. And they both work at the same job. They'd be good together.
Writers 1,3,4: Fair enough.

Obviously, this is an exaggeration, but that's the line of thinking I despise in character pairings, and which I am currently seeing as a possible reason for a canon Lexi/Ace pairing.


Hey, I don`t like pairings "for the heck of it" either. That`s why I`m looking at this from the flip side, where I think the species is actually a result of the romance. Of course, just because one of two lovers are black doesn`t mean they both have to be, but it doesn`t mean they can`t both be either. 

As for not judging them as their ancestors, it would be a lot easier to do so if the writers weren't constantly going out of their way to make them just like their ancestors. They even look alike!


What if I looked like my GGG Grandfather (when he was young, of course, and had average intelligence like me), and dated a (distantly related) girl who descended from the same grandparents, and looked like my GGG Grandmother (when she was also young, of course)? And what if my GGG Grandfather owned a dumptruck service? Does that mean we should be judged by the fact we resemble our (really, really) old folks? Does that mean I`m going to run garbage galore in my ol` ancesoter`s stead? I don`t think so.


Ace has Bug's accent, his "cool" factor, his lines, his leader status, his tendacy to be in control of all situations. Duck is egotistical, show-offy, arrogant like Daffy. Tech is a mechanical genius with a tendancy to get blown up like Wile. Lexi and Lola were both introduced as "strong, independant girls" (their words not mine) and little else. Is it that much of a stretch to suspect that maybe the writing staff might pair Lexi and Ace up because their ancestors hooked up in the past and they want to show a parallel?


Well, maybe they`re trying to respect the source material some. Do you think fans would like it if Ace was the low rung on the ladder with a surfer-dude accent, Duck was a self-sacrificing angel that lead the pack, Tech was a grunting, muscle-bound brute with an I.Q of -5, Lexi was a valley girl with absolutely pathectic courage levels and a tendency to kiss up, and Ace dated Sam`s female ancestor (Brrr...that was a creepy thought) Looks like they`re trying to balance the similarities and differences betwen the `Tics and their ancestors to me.


Bugs was sweet on Lola, so why should Ace be sweet on Lexi when all that they've shown for each other has been friendship? Unless they wanted to show their similarities to their ancestors.


I reference my above reply.

I have yet to see any evidence other than vague scenes that could easily be attributed to a best friend status rather than a crush.


I do have to agree with you there. But why was she so embarassed to be seen hugging him in Acmegeddon, Part II then? That was the only real hint in this series, at least as far as I can tell.


There have been no jealousy at seeing the other dating someone else,


Maybe because there`s been none on the show? Either way, Lexi did act angry during the whole Ace thinks BV is hot scene, but there`s other possible reasons for that.


there's been no flirting, no extended hugs, brief kisses, or even wistful looks at each other. This pairing has little (if any) substantial foundation to go on.


It`s a kid`s show, what can we expect? Still, you`ve got points there.

For a dated formula to work, it has to be done in a new and original way so that the audience does not see it coming a mile away and can enjoy it without thinking "haven't I seen this before?".


Zelda uses a similar formula (world, dungeon, boss. Lather, rinse, repeat) with each game, and I still love each one of `em. In the same way, Ace/Lexi would have fresh elements because Ace`s eyes aren`t popping outta his head when he sees Lexi, nor does he even lend the flirtatious comment. In fact, there`s barely any similarities to Bugs/Lola, if Ace/Lexi even exists, that is.


If the writers were to actually drop some believable and less subtle hints and bring these two together in a new and creative way, I wouldn't mind the pairing as much. But they have yet to do so and already people are hoping for them to pair up in the show.


Wait, some are bugged just by the fact they`re trying to pair them up. How can they be new and creative? Anyone who`s seen SJ will expect it anyways then. If you take a motorcycle instead of a bicycle to work, your boss is going to expect you anyway. (Boy do I make wierd analogies) Maybe some are hoping for them to pair because they think they`d make a cute couple (like me)?





Just so you know, I`m not intentionally arguing with you or anything, nor am I trying to stir up trouble, but I just had to express my opinions, one paragraph at a time. (What can I say, I`m a debative person) Still, you did make some good counterpoints (all part of a good ol` debate).


Also, I would not want them explicitly dating every single day or anything like that necessarily. I`d see Ace going "Fine, but we`ll have to set some ground rules here. No flirtin`, datin` or any o` that mushy stuff of any kind except on days off."


Holy haywire, this was a long post. I think this may just be a personal record-setter. Well, fine way to kill my time, huh? I applaud the person brave enough to read all that. Sorry, this is a habit of mine.


Also, not trying to chamge your mind, Martiangirl, just stating my opinions.



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arguing is for stoopids, everyone has their own opinion and if u cant handle it then go die

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          yeah but its not like they care what we have to say,think about it the show is appleing to kids 6-11,its not like they are thinking or disscusing the same things we are they just want to watch the show,they dont care who gets paried up with who.


some of the people here are 20 years old or older the wb didnt know that 20 year olds would care.



-- Edited by loonaticfan at 13:56, 2006-07-28



It's true, i'm 22! Loonaticfan is probably right. Ace and Lexi probably won't be related coz the creators don't expect alot of the young audience to have seen Space Jam and know about Bugs and Lola's relationship. I always thought it was rather obvious that Lexi was included in the Loonatics line-up so that she could be paired up with Ace. If the creators had just wanted a female member in the Loonatics team, they could have used a female Tweety or some other female looney tunes character (I'm almost certain they'll make Tweety female in the future! Hmm, but then there would've been three birds in the loonatics team). Why else have two rabbits in a team?        



Erm... hate to tell you this but Tweety is actually male and I'm not being funny. He is actually male. He probably just got put into a drag costume or sumting.

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I made that post quite a while ago Akira_Cat, back when i thought i read something that indicated that they had come up with a female design for the descendent of Tweety or something. But yeah, i think Tweety is indeed being kept as a male now.



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Hey Anna, I just saw Acmegeddon Part II on YouTube, and looked at the part you told me about much earlier. I saw what you were talking about, and I realize you`re right! So, maybe the leader does have some personal feelings for Lexi after all. Although that hurt expression could have been confusion, still, the fact he was smiling right until she hit him on the arm does seem to inidacate he was overjoyed for a quick bit.

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I'm glad you checked, Crossfire. I really think if we want a better idea of what Ace might feel for Lexi, we need to look at his body language and listen to his tone of voice carefully. In a visual medium like animation, it could be important. Those who don't agree with Ace/Lexi might say that the creators couldn't have thought it throught that carefully because it's a kids cartoon and stuff. (we've all heard it.) But where's the fun in dismissing it quickly?

Although that hurt expression could have been confusion, still, the fact he was smiling right until she hit him on the arm does seem to inidacate he was overjoyed for a quick bit.


I bet he was confused alright. One moment she's giving positive signals, with the smiling and hugging. But the next moment, she gives negetive ones. I bet Ace was wondering what exactly he did wrong to make her stop the hug and hit him.

It's not just the face he was smiling until she hit him; it was the WAY he was smiling. I think he was hoping for, or maybe even expecting a kiss, and was gravely dissapointed when it didn't turn out that way. Seriously, JUST LOOK AT THAT SMILE. It screams "Hmmm this is niiice..."

This all indicates that the two of them aren't at the stage where they can get into a succesful relationship just yet. Lexi would need to admit that she does depend on Ace because of how vital he is to her life and happiness. But if Ace doesn't hurry up, she might end up in the arms of another man.

Ace: Oh come on, that's silly!
Anna: I dunno. With all those guys calling her, there's bound to be at least one she might like enough to actually go steady with. (leans closer to him.) You really think she's gonna wait for you forever?
Ace:(words sink in) MAN! Yer right! O_O; I hafta go! (dashes off)
Anna: =D

Ahh, if only....

If this post sounds strange at all, it's not you. I really need to find some time other than eleven o'clock at night to post.

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Er... Anna. I hate to dissapoint you but Tweety is a guy not a girl. But his decendant could be female... Hmmmmmm....



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I really didn't think the pictures of Tweety's descendant looked female. I think he'll be a male like his ancestor.

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I'm glad you checked, Crossfire. I really think if we want a better idea of what Ace might feel for Lexi, we need to look at his body language and listen to his tone of voice carefully. In a visual medium like animation, it could be important. Those who don't agree with Ace/Lexi might say that the creators couldn't have thought it throught that carefully because it's a kids cartoon and stuff. (we've all heard it.) But where's the fun in dismissing it quickly?






Guess what. I was looking at "the moment" again, when I realized, upon closer inspection, Ace is actually returning Lexi`s hug! He practically has his hand on her waist. I know, I`m obsessed. So, maybe my perceptive of Ace being oblivious isn`t quite as accurate as I thought...maybe his returning the hug was what made her decide to go on the denial?


Now that I think about it, could he have accidently offended her by putting his hand on her waist? Although she didn`t seem too outraged at it, she just sounded like a typical case of a female angry at her boyfriend (a "Don`t scare me like that again!" type of thing). Her hit on his arm also seemed to be more of  a chide for endangering himself rather than punishment for offense. Hey, maybe she actually liked the gesturewink.gif?


Hey, I just got an idea: Lonely Light, about your icons topic in the fan art section, do you think you could make an icon (or two or three) out of that moment (the hug I mean, not the hit on the arm!!!)? You`ll be doing an Ace/Lexi shipper a big favor.


Sorry about that, I hate to stray from the topic.



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Hey, I just got an idea: Lonely Light, about your icons topic in the fan art section, do you think you could make an icon (or two or three) out of that moment (the hug I mean, not the hit on the arm!!!)? You`ll be doing an Ace/Lexi shipper a big favor.


Sorry about that, I hate to stray from the topic.





Way ahead of you! I've already started on one, but I'm having trouble whether or not I should add text (and if so, what should it say, where should it go, and all that jazz...), positioning, colors, etc., so don't expect it up until a bit later! :P


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I`ve got (quite) a few ideas for text:


Let`s enjoy the moment...


I`ll remember this moment forever...


I love you too, Lexi... (More along the lines of what Ace is thinking)


I love you...too...


Simple and Clean... (wouldn`t that song just match such a moment so well?)


Young Love...


Always in my heart...


My true feelings...for you... 


Please...don`t ever die... (this would be more along Lexi`s train of thought)


I`ll be with you always...


In our own little world...


If only this could last...for more than a moment...


I could probably go at this all night, but I`ve got other things I need to do (like the rest of my seatwork packet...). I`m sure these will give you a fairly wide range of choices to choose My personal favorites are "I love you...too...", and "Please...don`t ever die...". I watched a movie of "Simple and Clean" earlier today, so I was inspired. Man, that`s one of the few things that can make me cry a little (the scene where Kairi sheds a tear makes me follow suit...it`s just so beautiful...)


Thanks to that, now I can see Rev wiping away tears of happines ("That`s-just-so-beautiful...") if the other `Tics should ever watch Ace and Lexi share a romantic moment at a touching moment (as for Tech, I see him just crossing his arms and grinning, maybe muttering "Finally").



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What pictures?


 





What they showed from the commerical and the one they have posted on the KidsWB site.

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I`ve got (quite) a few ideas for text:


Let`s enjoy the moment...


I`ll remember this moment forever...


I love you too, Lexi... (More along the lines of what Ace is thinking)


I love you...too...


Simple and Clean... (wouldn`t that song just match such a moment so well?)


Young Love...


Always in my heart...


My true feelings...for you... 


Please...don`t ever die... (this would be more along Lexi`s train of thought)


I`ll be with you always...


In our own little world...


If only this could last...for more than a moment...


I could probably go at this all night, but I`ve got other things I need to do (like the rest of my seatwork packet...). I`m sure these will give you a fairly wide range of choices to choose My personal favorites are "I love you...too...", and "Please...don`t ever die...". I watched a movie of "Simple and Clean" earlier today, so I was inspired. Man, that`s one of the few things that can make me cry a little (the scene where Kairi sheds a tear makes me follow suit...it`s just so beautiful...)


Thanks to that, now I can see Rev wiping away tears of happines ("That`s-just-so-beautiful...") if the other `Tics should ever watch Ace and Lexi share a romantic moment at a touching moment (as for Tech, I see him just crossing his arms and grinning, maybe muttering "Finally").





Y'know, if I ever see an icon like that, I just might use that as my avatar. Maybe. If I think it's better than the one I have of Duck! (That's gonna be hard to choose)


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OMG!They are sooooooooooooooo cute together!AND I STILL HAVE THE INTIALS A+L=IN MY HEAD AND MOST OF ALL,I CAN'T GET IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!*WHAT?*Yeah well what do you think?I can't get it out of my head!well that was over though... ... ... ...oh sorry! was that too long?

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Okay, that makes about 7 now, if I`m not mistaken? Let`s see, there`s me, Kaejae, Black Oracle, Anna, Mario, and a couple others...uh, someone want to refresh my memory? I`m really sorry I forgot everyone else shipping those two, but this time I promise to remember everyone in the same group as me. Just say if you`re an Ace/Lexi fan or not, and I`ll write your name on a list. It`s a wierd thing to keep track of, but I just like to know these things

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That's it, Ace and Lexi have SOOO got to get together at some point now! People expect it to happen! Let's just hope their romance is done right when it happens!

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