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Um... do you really want my honest opinion on her? Cos if you don't look away now.
I'm not gonna shoot her and beat her brutally, but I think she's a Mary-Sue. Don't get me wrong, you're the creator and will stand up for your beliefs for her. But the thing is, she has so many Mary-Sue qualities that it irks me everytime I see a new picture of her done by you (I'm not insulting your art skills cos you do really good drawings). She is pretty, has a bit of a bad past, and she is able to charm someone or some people that fall for her after only meeting her thirty seconds ago.
It's just whenever I see her charming a drooling Rev (I know, completely biased because he's my favourite character), I get peed off. So when I see you do some crossovers with this pairing, I immediately think about not reading it, cos I know I'll say something hurtful to you that I would regret if I said it.
So when I saw a few pictures you drew of Bia in her 'normal' clothing to indicate to people that she is not a Mary-Sue, I felt that that just made her even more of a Sue than before.
I know now you'll hate me forever because of this post, but that is my personal opinion on Bia Jetstream. Maybe everyone else will disagree with me, but that's just my two cents.
I sorta changed Bia's past, so she does NOT have a tragic one, she's more of a daydreamer, both of her parents are alive, and I'll draw some pics of her acting like a normal person.
So technically, Bia's NOT a Mary-Sue, she just grabs the fans attention.
And the whole thing about Rev drooling over her, I was staying true to the nature of WB male characters when they see pretty women they like they go buzerk.
So the thing about men drooling over one woman is not a Mary-Sue trait in the WB cartoon world.
Rev: How about a kiss? *kisses* Bia: ARRRGH! MY FACE! WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?? WHY???? DX Rev: OMG! I'm SO SORRY!!!! D8
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I know it may be a trait of WB to make male characters incessantly fawn over a pretty female character, but did you ever consider that maybe such a trait doesn't fit in with Rev's actual character? I mean, I imagine Rev to be quite chivalrous around women, no matter how pretty they are. Especially since we don't actually SEE Rev checking out anyone troughout the series.
Remember when Ace and Slam and Tech were all over Black Velvet, but Rev kept his cool? And how Duck was always ogling Misty but Rev didn't turn his head? Even Lexi had a bit of a look towards that mountain climber in The Hunter. Rev doesn't do that to anyone.
The show distinctly proves that Rev is NOT the type of guy to go all googly eyes over a female. I think his parents raised him better than that.
And on the topic of Bia. Don't get me wrong, she has the potential to be a great character. It's just that I've seen countless other characters like her in numerous different fandoms. It doesn't have to be that she's a Mary-Sue, it's just that there doesn't feel like there's anything truly unique and individual about her.
Take my OC, for example. I didn't give her any powers. Any fanfictions I write will not have her in the centre nor will they have her more than a small tangent on the side to take the seriousness from the main plot.
She as a character is a bit on the chubby side, especially around the rear. She isn't very strong-willed. She's cowardly and tries to do as little work as possible if she can help it. She's susceptible to childish tantrums. Often she'll baby a person to a slightly annoying degree. She can get sulky from time to time. And she's incredibly insecure about her place in a relationship. These are what many would like to refer to as 'flaws'. These specific traits make a character believable.
But so as to not make my character overtly Anti-Sue, I make sure she has some nice, redeemable qualities. She's impossibly devoted to Duck. She's an incessant people-pleaser. She's social and grew up in a warm, loving house. She has high morals and values. She has a job that she takes very, very seriously. She's a softie and will often allow people to walk all over her in order to make them happy. She's polite and has a good head on her shoulders.
These good traits in sync with her bad ones, along with the fact that she isn't going to be a main point in all my fanfictions will make her a little less of an eye-sore to readers.
I hope this has helped you a little. Simply changing a characters past and a few points here and there doesn't make them any less similar to other people's character who thought they could get away with doing the exact same thing. You need to look outside the box. That's where I found Mairi. 83
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I know it may be a trait of WB to make male characters incessantly fawn over a pretty female character, but did you ever consider that maybe such a trait doesn't fit in with Rev's actual character? I mean, I imagine Rev to be quite chivalrous around women, no matter how pretty they are. Especially since we don't actually SEE Rev checking out anyone troughout the series. Remember when Ace and Slam and Tech were all over Black Velvet, but Rev kept his cool? And how Duck was always ogling Misty but Rev didn't turn his head? Even Lexi had a bit of a look towards that mountain climber in The Hunter. Rev doesn't do that to anyone. The show distinctly proves that Rev is NOT the type of guy to go all googly eyes over a female.
The implication here is obvious. Rev is gay and in denial!
(Seriously - single, thin, pretty neat, and is well-read according to his bedroom. Also wears flamboyant PJ's. HMMMMM!)
Wellllllllllllll. My over all opinion of Bia is good. I like her look and you draw her very well. The situations you include her in can be very humorous, which I myself enjoy. But, alas, I have to agree a bit with Xtream and Akira
Perhaps that statement of Rev was just Rev avoiding the truth behind the statement. Like when you tell a guy whom you like that you don't actually like him. That could have been Rev just avoiding admitting he was homosexual.
I don't think Rev is childish at all. I think he's quite mature. I just think he has a lot of energy due to his powers. In 'Sypher', when Rev didn't have his powers, he was much more subdued and clearly a mature young adult. He's not childish at all. He's just over enthused due to his powers.
And lastly, Sony, your flaws revolve around a seemingly powerful OC becoming weakened for the sake of a flaw. This is a clear trait of a Mary-Sue. The other flaws you suggested are only physical traits. Physical traits don't really count unless it's something that honestly makes a character less attractive rather than more interesting. How about some personality flaws? Make her racist. Make her susceptible to giving in to temptation. Make her greedy. Do SOMETHING that isn't reminiscent of every other character ever invented.
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H'm, alright, before I say anything--I personally /don't/ support Rev/Tech slash...
BUT.
Those quotes don't really prove anything. LU is a children's show. The world hasn't gotten to the point where children's action heroes are gay (last time I checked, anyways).
Frankly, that was just thrown in to humor the adults passing by the TV. And if anything, you know what I think? I think the fact that they even bothered to throw in that kind of insinuatory joke just goes to prove that the creators were thinking, "****. People are going to think they're gay! They're not s'posed to think that yet... Quick, put in a joke to throw them off!"
OK! It can be settled that both avians on the team have excellent choices in awesomely (*COUGH*flamboyant*COUGH*) cute PJs with matching nightcaps. Okkkkkkayz. *eyeroll* XD
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yeah so, Bia's got a flaw.....HURRAY! I saw the sketches on DA BTW.
Azumi: I think Bia's cute blondie - beauty. ;) Tang: I agree with AkiraCat!!! F**k her!! Maya: *confused* Diane: OMG! She can't wear rightly her clothes! I'll with Aqua show her trendy outfits!
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BIA RULES! I ahve spoken XD I absolutly love Rev/Bia. I may have my own oc that ends up with him but YES BIA RULES! The pics of her are awsome. But ont he evil critical side, Bia is kid of a mary sue. if you have like, stuff in her backround that throws them off its good. Like, Katlin Bunny, one of my ocs, has barces and use to wear glasses. Add stuff like that. Draw some pictures like that and it will be okay. Why did i imagine my self with a newscaster vioce?
-- Edited by crazyfan1 at 23:03, 2009-02-21
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