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Do you guys think it's possible for one of the Loonatics to betray the team? And most importantly, who would do so (and why)?

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How do you mean? Like actually turn to the dark side or just quit the team?

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Either.


I guess Duck would be the most obvious, but wouldn't it make for a smashing second season finale if Tech decided to quit. *smirk*



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Hmm. I could see Tech, Duck, and Slam quitting.


Tech: If someone messes or mistreats his babies, I could see him getting angry and leaving for an episode. No longer than an episode.


Duck: Wants the spotlight so bad, he may resort to the bad side in order to gain it. Usually happens with his type of character.


Slam: Language barrier and not many fans like him, so I've heard.



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Either.
I guess Duck would be the most obvious, but wouldn't it make for a smashing second season finale if Tech decided to quit. *smirk*




That's what I said a while back on tv.com ('New Heroes for this Series' thread). It would be really smashing if Tech decided to quit for legitimate reasons. I say that because the writers might decide to cop out last minute and say that he didn't really quit, but he was only pretending so that he could infiltrate a criminal gang or something undercover. Yeah, that idea was cool back in the 80s as a 'Centurions' episode, but not now.

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I dislike those plots. A favourable character quits, surprises the others, a whole memoir episode to the character and then they come back out of guilt or from a secret mission. It's not enjoyable that much.

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Exactly. Or how about if a member actually got thrown out by the other members? That would be smashing too IMO.

-- Edited by Martiangirl at 11:00, 2006-09-05

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That would be interesting. I wouldn't enjoy it though because it wouldn't seem right, unless the member screwed something up, but came back at the end of the episode. I still wouldn't like it than, I suppose.

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Well, in times like these I always like to look at the masters. While I would love to see something resembling the JLA "Tower of Babel" arc, I doubt anyone on th LU team is that devious or paranoid.
Perhaps it is felt that Duck is too much of a liabilty to remain after messing up one too many times on the job. Or someone (besides Duck) doesn't think Ace is leading the team in the right direction. Or Tech volunarily leaves because they made one big careless mistake they hadn't anticipated and resulted in a crisis of some sort (another person's injury, vast city damage, whatever). In any case, whoever winds up leaving (voluntarily or not) might be on their own and missing in action for a few episodes. I think it's not nearly as effective if they just wrapped it up by the end of the episode. That way if or when they return, it's more moving.

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Good point. It would be interesting to see if WB did it like that and probably wouldn't be cliche.

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i usually have dreams about a Loonatics being a traidor

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Really? Which one and how does it play out?

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Argh, I'm late to the party. I wrote about Ace quitting because there was just too much crap goin' on, so he quit for a few chapters. It wasn't bloody, but it was controversial, considering what pushed him over the edge was Zodavia's deciding to split them up for some heart-to-hearts. That's all I'll say. You want the rest, go read it.

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Cali Bunny wrote:



Either.


I guess Duck would be the most obvious, but wouldn't it make for a smashing second season finale if Tech decided to quit. *smirk*





That would be very interesting to see! But like Martiangirl says, it would have to be for a good legitamate reason. If Tech were to quit the loonatics voluntarily, it would certainly be a good opportunity for great indepth character development and more (perhaps surprising) revelations about him. But i don't think the show would ever become that serious, it is afterall aimed at quite a young tweens audience i think. Ah well, we can dream....


Or if they revealed that one of the Loonatics was in fact working for another organization or someone else all along, but in the end, the traitor would decide to stay with the Loonatics and betray their original master(s). Kinda like Hawkgirl from Justice League in the Starcrossed movie.


Or an ep where the loonatics travel to the future and find that either their team has split and interesting changes have occured with each of their future selves (like the Teen Titans ep where Starfire travels to the future and find the Titans have separated and Robin has become Nightwing), or they find that Tech (i think he would make for the most interesting and understandable choice of traitor in this future scenario) has been driven insane and is ruling Acmetropolis by means of a technological robotic army, instilling his own logical perception of an ordered and peacful society, one that requires any disturbance or crime to be eliminated without question. Future Tech would be convinced this is the only way to stop crimes being commited in Acmetropolis, by quashing them before they escalate (kinda like the Justice League ep where the league meet their alternate reality selves that are prepared to actually kill criminals). The other Loonatics in the future would either be a resistance force to Tech's rule or would have been incapacitated by him at the beginning of his rise to power. I could see a future Tech's appearance as being part mechanized (like Kiva in Megas XLR when Coop and the Glorft Commander travelled to an alternate dimension where Coop and Kiva had turned into evil conquerors), indicating his cold, logical and robotic way of thinking having taken over his human emotions. Now that would be a good ep to see i say!                      



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Or an ep where the loonatics travel to the future and find that either their team has split and interesting changes have occured with each of their future selves (like the Teen Titans ep where Starfire travels to the future and find the Titans have separated and Robin has become Nightwing), or they find that Tech (i think he would make for the most interesting and understandable choice of traitor in this future scenario) has been driven insane and is ruling Acmetropolis by means of a technological robotic army, instilling his own logical perception of an ordered and peacful society, one that requires any disturbance or crime to be eliminated without question. Future Tech would be convinced this is the only way to stop crimes being commited in Acmetropolis, by quashing them before they escalate (kinda like the Justice League ep where the league meet their alternate reality selves that are prepared to actually kill criminals). The other Loonatics in the future would either be a resistance force to Tech's rule or would have been incapacitated by him at the beginning of his rise to power. I could see a future Tech's appearance as being part mechanized (like Kiva in Megas XLR when Coop and the Glorft Commander travelled to an alternate dimension where Coop and Kiva had turned into evil conquerors), indicating his cold, logical and robotic way of thinking having taken over his human emotions. Now that would be a good ep to see i say!                      




That could be a fascinating ep. But I could see all the Tech fans rejecting it.(I might be one of them...)

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Well an ep that has Tech becoming sadly misguided in the future doesn't have to be something written in stone. After obseving this future premonition for himself, present day Tech would most likely become extremely cautious with himself, always keeping himself in check and not letting himself get too carried away with anything. The knowledge of this 'possible' future could become a shadow in his life that always keeps him conscientious of his thoughts and behaviour. He would have to work to keep himself controlled and 'on a leash' so to speak. I think that would really add a fascinating new dimension to his personality/character!       

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Well, that might be true. But I just can't stand it if Tech has to live the rest of his life with that burden. Poor Tech...


Anyways, that's just me. I don't know what the others would think.



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Yes, i guess it would be a bit of a cruel thing to do to our favourite coyote. But characters need issues and problems in order to become more relatable to the audience. And hey, if that idea for Tech got your sympathy for him, than it would get others to sympathise with him as well! One of the reasons the original Wile E. Coyote was a success was because his constant misfortune got him the audience's sympathy!    



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Really? Didn't know that.

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It wouldn't make to much sense to me if someone betrayed the team, because they're such a tightly-knit group. Living with someone and putting your life in their hands tends to make you bond with them, therefore not want to betray them.

I don't even see Duck betraying the team, because I think he really cares for them. I think "Spypher" was a pretty good indication of that.

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I think that it is because they are such a tightly knit group, that a future betrayal would be that shocking and debilitating. They couldn't pull something like that off in the first season since we were just getting to know the characters and didn't really identify with them. Just like in the Justice League episode "Starcrossed", who the heck would have guessed that Hawkgirl would be hiding something? We had seen her prove herself in battle and in her devotion to her teammates. If she had revealed her motives earlier in the first season, when she was still "an outsider", it wouldn't have been as dramatic or trumatic to the others or to the audience. It was because people watching the show all trusted her and grew to love her and her spunky personality. The audience adopted her as one of the JL and one of us, so her revelation was just mindblowing (especially to her fans).


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Exactly as Martiangirl says! Betrayal has more impact when it occurs in what an audience believe to be a close group of friends.

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That would be interesting to watch. Obvious choice would be Duck cos he's got all these anxieties inside him swirling around, trying not to lash out at anyone cos they make fun out of him, being underappreciated, not being taken seriously. One of these days, all his emotions are gonna come out and then he would turn to the darkside to get what he wants the most... respect and to be appreciated for once. But he could be in serious danger letting all his anger out for his powers could become more powerful. But his powers could get out of his control if he is not careful.

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Exactly as Martiangirl says! Betrayal has more impact when it occurs in what an audience believe to be a close group of friends.


Martiangirl should a writer or something

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That's what I hope to do. ^_^ I'm working on one LU fic, and I already have ideas for a possible sequel. But it's slow work.

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try to do 5 Loonatics unleashed fanfics

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Heavy order there, pal. One cannot rush or force inspiration. However, if I ever get done with my work this weekend, I might be able to get up the next chapter in my first fic soon.

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Did you write a fic where the Loonatics head to Mars on FF.net a little while ago? Anyway, i'd like to see what you get up in the fanfiction section here! BTW, i've just finished a 2-parter ep stories featuring Marvin himself (in the 2nd part!)! It'll be up on FF.net soon! 



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Yeah I did. That's the only one I have right now, and it's officially an AU (but I knew that was going to happen anyway). Can't wait to see your fic up!

-- Edited by Martiangirl at 16:18, 2006-09-30

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Yeah I did. That's the only one I have right now, and it's officially an AU (but I knew that was going to happen anyway). Can't to see your fic up!


"Ides of Mars" is one of my favorites fics on FF.Net... Are you considering submitting it here, because I'd love to have it as part of the gallery?

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Gee thanks! I wasn't thinking about submitting it here before, but if you'd like me to, I will.

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Did you write a fic where the Loonatics head to Mars on FF.net a little while ago? Anyway, i'd like to see what you get up in the fanfiction section here! BTW, i've just finished a 2-parter ep stories featuring Marvin himself (in the 2nd part!)! It'll be up on FF.net soon! 





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um ok but i had a dream about ace being par of a evil organizasion once (it was wired)and then zadavia kiked him out
of the team (much to duck delight and lexi's sadness)

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Wow, that is one strange dream, but Ace's betrayal could be as possible as anyone else's. I just can't picture Zadavia being angry at Ace, ever. I think that Ace is her favourite and they both have a pretty strong bond.

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The only way i could see an Ace betrayal working is if he was putting on an act to help solve a crime and had to mislead the others for a while. But i really don't think Ace would ever truly betray the Loonatics, he's their leader, he's too integral to the team! He has virtually no motivation to leave them, at least for the time being.



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But if he did betray the team and then Zadavia ended up being very disapointed in him, that would change her attitude to Duck, who's usually the one who gets picked on by her.

Duck: Hah! Now you know how I feel when I get picked on her all the time!

Ace: But I haven't betrayed the team.

Duck: Oh Fishsticks!

Ace: Not yet anyway...


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i wonder what the teams reactions would be if that happened

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anyway to quote

 zadavia:YOUR FIRED

 ace:but i

 tece:get out

duck:ha ha

rev wont look at ace

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lexi:I TRUSTED YOU AND ALL THIS TIME YOU'VE BEEN HIS FRIEND

 ace:lexi i im sorry and he leacees hq

 



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So ends episode 1 of "The Apprentice: Acmetropolis" with Zadavia Trump.

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So ends episode 1 of "The Apprentice: Acmetropolis" with Zadavia Trump.

LOL! Loonatics and The Apprentice! Good one!



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I'm dancing around in a red robe and a blue hat similar to what Mickey Mouse was wearing in Fantasia in the "Magicians apprentice".

Me: La la, la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la!

Twilightgirl enters.

Twilightgirl: What are you doing Akira?

Me: I'm singing that song from Fantasia Mickey Mouse was in. The others here mentioned something about "Loonatics and the Apprentice".

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maybe duck might betray the team because he probaly wants to hog the spotlight


duck- no i am not going to betray the team

everybody walks away

duck-good bye i am going to work alone.

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If there is a betrayal, I hope they come up with a deeper motivation than that. Duck loves the spotlight, but he's not villain material. He's convinced that he is the greatest hero ever and wants respect for that.
 
He may leave the team for a solo career and then come crawling back within one episode, but that's not a betrayal so much as striking out on one's own. Robin didn't betray Batman when he went to Bludhaven and became Nightwing, right?

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If there is a betrayal, I hope they come up with a deeper motivation than that. Duck loves the spotlight, but he's not villain material. He's convinced that he is the greatest hero ever and wants respect for that.
 
He may leave the team for a solo career and then come crawling back within one episode, but that's not a betrayal so much as striking out on one's own. Robin didn't betray Batman when he went to Bludhaven and became Nightwing, right?

Hmmm, NightWing's a good case to look at actually. I'm still not sure whether to consider his 'deviance' from Batman a form of betrayal as such? He just had to grow out of the Robin sidekick-role and become his own person one day didn't he?

And i agree also that Duck would never seriously betray the Loonatics. At most he'd try to go solo for a while, but then he'd come crawling back to them after a few disastrous failures. I still think Tech would make for best choice of traitor if they ever wanted one in the team. Not that i'm saying that i think he's evil and hates the others, but he's the one that i could best conceive of taking such a drastic decision for the right reasons.

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If Duck would be such a disastrous failure when working alone, then why would the Loonatics have him on the team? He must have a certain degree of competency, for I guess he is third in command on the team (first is Ace, then Lexi, then Duck - at least that is how they are alwaysintroduced)

If Duck would work alone, he probably would not be as efficient as the team, and he does lack expertise in certain areas (such as hi-tech).

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Some people can work better on a team than solo. Conversely, some people are more sucessful working as loners, but are not team players. One's ability does not necessarily mean equate one's success. Duck is pretty competant on the field, but he probably needs a team (or at least a sidekick) to watch his back.
A good example to look at is the scene in "The Cloak of  Black Velvet". When the Loonatics were taking out BV's missles, Duck was trying to disarm one by hand. Ace yanked him off and Duck was enranged at being interrupted until the thing blew up about 5 seconds later. Imagine how that scene would have played out if he was on his own.
The thing is, no matter what his ability, Duck is accident prone, and a solo career might have disasterous results for him. He might have some marginal success, but soon come to realize that his being on a team was better suited for him.

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... me hungry.

Now for an intellegent message- yellow is the color of betrayal, hint hint... though Ace betraying the team would probably be accidental (like in SOTGGS). I don't think he'd ever purposely betray the team, he's too sweet for that.

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-wonders- I could make a whole episode plot from that idea...

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