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kaejae · LUO's Next Top Poser

Feet!

mimic12455 · Beast

I think they did show him with webbed feet, it was when he was flashing back to when he was a pool cleaner.

kaejae · LUO's Next Top Poser

I thought those were his flip-flops... I think I'mma go watch that eppy again ^^

Skifox · Frelengian

Well, he did say to Ace "You're not the one with webbed feet!" in Apocalypso. Is that indication enough? ;)

Even without that, I'd still think so. They've all been anthropomorphized a bit more than their ancestors, but Rev still has three-clawed bird-ish feet, so why wouldn't Duck also retain more bird-like features?

Edit: You never really got a good look at his feet in that flashback, and you're right Kaejae, his sandals had the very end of his feet covered.

-- Edited by Skifox at 00:17, 2007-04-16

kaejae · LUO's Next Top Poser

I just watched it...

His feet are all black! He got toes! He got toes! Maybe webbed toes? *dies* XD

I wish WB would stop with the inconsistencies ;)

Skifox · Frelengian

I see NO toes. Note that he's wearing sandals, not flip-flops. Also, in the frames before the woman grabs the diaper, it looks like the ends have some vertical relief.

That's something that always bothered me in that scene - why does he have feathers on his lower legs and feet? He's a freaking duck! It makes no sense! His legs are also about twice as big around in that scene as they are normally. WTF?! Always seemed like a pretty major screw-up by the art department to me.

It's your drawing. Do it how ever the hey you want!

-- Edited by Skifox at 00:28, 2007-04-16

kaejae · LUO's Next Top Poser

Geez. This bites. 'Cause I'm way too indecisive XD

I'll leave his feet out for now and work on someone else in the meantime LOL!

Skifox · Frelengian

If it were me... aw heck, I don't know what I'd do, either. I have a very strong sense of character integrity, so I don't particularly like making changes, but (assuming I was a decent artist) I don't think I could bring myself to draw something that I thought was stupid or didn't make sense.

Take Tech's eyes, for example - those jaundiced yellow sclera looked fine and were completely appropriate on the starving Wile E., but Tech is perfectly healthy and disease-free. It's not a heritable trait, so why the heck did WB carry it over? It looks bad, especially with so little contrast against his iris color. I'd probably only draw Tech in uniform, because it's not an issue then.

On the other hand, I did change his eyes to white in the dance wallpaper you did. hmm

GAAAH! Why can't WB THINK before they do stuff!

Ayelet_Ripley · Frelengian

I'd draw him with webbed feet if I were you, regardless of what he looks like in the show. The art department messes up a lot on tv shows, so I'd rely on what the characters actually say about themselves and not what we see.

That and it's too weird for me to imagine a duck with toes or paws. I mean he's not Chimera Duck wink

But do as you think it's best, if leaving out the feet makes you fell better then go for it. Art doesn't need to be complete to be enjoyed and I'm definitely looking forward to see it! smile

kaejae · LUO's Next Top Poser

Hmmm... I watched The Menace of Mastermind just now (God bless DVD releases!

)... That last scene where they had the "vacation" inside the HQ showed Duck with the same thing... Lower legs and feet that are all black and he looks like he has "cankles" XD

And of course his "toes" were covered... I think WB can't decide either

the_oddity · O HAI THAR

Skifox wrote:

Well, he did say to Ace "You're not the one with webbed feet!" in Apocalypso. Is that indication enough? ;)

'nuff said. XD

Tyranee · Martian

When he is remebering his past, he had black feets... and there's a chapter that all the Loonatics are inside an hologram and we can see he has black feets... he is not like Daffy duck... after all... the Loonatics are like mutations of normal animals... so he can have black feet

Animefangirl11 · Anthros

Tyranee wrote:

When he is remebering his past, he had black feets... and there's a chapter that all the Loonatics are inside an hologram and we can see he has black feets... he is not like Daffy duck... after all... the Loonatics are like mutations of normal animals... so he can have black feet

Erm...the color isn't the issue here. Its whether he has webbed feet or not.

Kinda weird in my opinion that they only show Rev with his lil birdie feet while everyone else has normal shoesies...

But yeah, I'd draw em with webbed feet.

kaejae · LUO's Next Top Poser

the_oddity wrote:

Skifox wrote:

Well, he did say to Ace "You're not the one with webbed feet!" in Apocalypso. Is that indication enough? ;)
'nuff said. XD

Maybe he meant it as one of them sarcastic things? XD

Skifox · Frelengian

He was being snarky, but it didn't seem like a joke to me. How would webbed, but feathery feet look? weirdface

kaejae · LUO's Next Top Poser

Probably weird...

Oy. I've finished everyone else EXCEPT for Duck... *shakes fist at his feet*

Lumosnight · Loonatic

Draw him wearing a tunic....... forget I said that!

Akira_Cat · Your local cat

I'd draw him wearing sandals or flip-flops. What was the drawing you were thinking of doing may I just ask?

the_oddity · O HAI THAR

One of the Loonatics at the beach? XD

I've actually wanted to draw a picture of the Loonatics at the beach for a long time (like, before S2 even), but I simply suck at drawing. X(

Black Oracle · Black Hole Survivor

Ahhh! Duck's feet is a mystery indeed! When we see them they're black like the rest of his body, but from what he said to Ace in "Apocalypso", i think he IS supposed to have webbed feet.

Ayelet_Ripley · Frelengian

You're right I just saw the Comet Cometh and he's indeed black. He's still yellow with webbed feet in my world! XP

I stand for what I said though, I'd rely on what the characters say about themselves, and if Duck did say he had webbed feet, then I think he has.

kaejae · LUO's Next Top Poser

No, they're not at a beach... although I do have something of the sort lined up for later...

I think I'm going have you all vote on this.... ^_^

Animefangirl11 · Anthros

Dang...its totally 50/50 now O_o;

Lumosnight · Loonatic

Duck would look ridiculous if his entire legs were orange - his legs are longer than Daffy's or any others ducks before him. Black suits him more.

However, the feet themselves could be orange and webbed. I imagined the upper part of the webbed feet to be black while the underside of them being orange.

Super Freak · Beast

You could go with black webbed feet. There are some birds and an egg-laying mammal that have black webbed feet.

Examples:
Black-footed Duck
Black-footed Albatross
Black-footed Penguins
Platypus

Lumosnight · Loonatic

Super Freak wrote:

You could go with black webbed feet. There are some birds and an egg-laying mammal that have black webbed feet.

Examples:
Black-footed Duck
Black-footed Albatross
Black-footed Penguins
Platypus

I don't usually talk like this but I have to say: the duckling looks so cute!

Tyranee · Martian

mmm... in the all about Duck post we post a theorie... maybe Duck is half Martian (yes I'm Duck Dodgers/Queen Tyr'hanee shipper)... maybe he's not a pure Duck...

And about those birds with black feet... all of them have Black beak... and Duck have orange Beak... so it can't be that... I never saw a duck with black feet and orange beak... or orange feet and black beak...

-- Edited by Tyranee at 08:27, 2007-04-19

Crossfire · Frelengian

Have you ever seen a four-legged duck either? As in, two wings and four webbed feet? Could be a mutation.

Super Freak · Beast

Those birds are an example. For instance Danger Duck and Daffy Duck are too black to look anything like the real American Black Duck. They look more similar to the American Coot.

Those pictures are to give a perspective that all birds don't necessarily have to have orange feet. Furthermore, there are some birds where their feet color differs from the color of their beak/bill.

This Hooded Merganser has an orangey bill with black feet.

The black & orange billed, black-footed Muscovy Duck

Photos of Ducks (various breeds) for a perspective.

The orange beaked, black-footed Great Egret.

Great Egret
Casmerodus albus

This Great Egret is a large, slender, white bird that stands at about three feet tall. It has a long pointed yellow beak used to spear fish, its main food source. They have black feet and legs. They wade into fairly deep water to search out food. When they fly, their necks are pulled back into an "S" curve.

The black beaked, white footed American Avocet

Lumosnight wrote:
I don't usually talk like this but I have to say: the duckling looks so cute!

Agreed!
Sometimes it's hard to decide which is cuter: Ducks or Rabbits?

-- Edited by Super Freak at 13:37, 2007-04-19

Crossfire · Frelengian

Rabbits!

Tyranee · Martian

Crossfire wrote:

Have you ever seen a four-legged duck either? As in, two wings and four webbed feet? Could be a mutation.

uhhh... nope...

I already said that it can be a mutation... after all Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Looney Toones, Tiny Toones, Duck Dodgers, etc... all are mutations...

Have you heart a bunny say: What's up Doc... never... so the mutation began in 19 and I don't know (the year that the loones Toones are created)... and continue to the Loonatics...

After all... they have human bodies... so they are more mutated that the Looney Toones and any real animal...

And is funny... Danger Duck doesn't have feathers... if you see the chapter with the Fuzz Ball, when the fleas were in Duck body... we can see that he has hair...

And when Tech found a hair in Duck and he said it wasn't of any of them... including Duck... that mean he's more a mutant that a Duck...

And we can see that the Loonatics find humans atractives... maybe many of them have human blood... or martian blood... or... I don't know blood...

In Duck Dodgers... his girlfriends weren't Ducks... Bugs Bunny felt in love many times... and married Elmer...

We can't talk now about Bunnies, Coyotes, Ducks... they have the form... but I don't believe they are pure animals... not anymore...

And the dark feet and beak of those animals is natural... maybe a mutation from the past... but is something natural...
Sorry my bad english...

-- Edited by Tyranee at 13:41, 2007-04-19

-- Edited by Tyranee at 15:59, 2007-04-19

Super Freak · Beast

I've had pet rabbits so I would have to say rabbits too.

(Perhaps, there should be a poll somewhere about this.

)

P.S.:

Nevermind, I'll get around to putting up a Duck vs. Bunny cuteness poll.

I agree with your mutant theory Tyranee.

I happened upon this website: Confusing Domestic Ducks (and hybrids)

Even in real life, it's possible to spot a mutant duck on occasion:

It’s a mutant duck.

Weird things happen in nature. Albinism and other color abnormalities are rather common. Odd, often irregular white patches can be a sign of partial albinism. It can be hard to tell sometimes if a duck is a mutant or has domestic duck genes. It is always good to look at the shape and size of any suspect duck and see if it looks like the other, more normally plumaged ducks around it. Third rule of thumb: If it looks the same as the others ducks around it in every way except color (even behavior), then it probably is a mutant. Note also that Mallards and Muscovy Ducks normally do not dive, so if your patched white duck is spending lots of time under water, it's a mutant.

Some mutations or odd plumages aren’t the result of albinism, but seem just to be rare variations. The white neck band on a male Gadwall or the white cheeks on a male American Wigeon are examples that you can find if you just look through enough individuals.

So if it [mutant colorations, behaviors] can happen in real life, why not in fantasy. Danger might happen to be a mutant black-footed (and possibly webbed footed) duck.

-- Edited by Super Freak at 15:07, 2007-04-19

Lumosnight · Loonatic

Guys, remember in 'The Hunter' when Tech finds out that Fudd's sleeping darts have been the real cause for Duck screwing up? He said, 'I found a strand hair on Duck that doesn't belong to him.'. I found that strange because duck's are supposed top have feathers, not hair. Tech seemed to be implying that Danger Duck has hair. weirdface

Ayelet_Ripley · Frelengian

Wow. You're right, Duck's got hair. My entire world just collapsed.

D=

Tyranee · Martian

The only thing that they have of the animal is the form... Duck look like a duck, Lexi and Ace look like bunnies (but Ace, like Bugs Bunny look more like a rabbit), Tech like a Coyote, etc... but they are anymore those animals... they have those animals in their blood... but they are mutants and maybe have human blood in theirs bodies...

And you see that they felt in love with humans... so maybe they can marry human (in Looney Toones qe can see marriage between human and "animals")...

And for a lot of us... we don't nothing bad about one of them felt in love with humans or marry one... like Tech/Mastermind... and Sypher said that Lexi was the most hot superhero of Acmetropolis... that mean thta humans can felt in love with no humans creatures...

And Pierre le Pew... he is a descendent of Pepe the Pew... and Pierre is a human... that mean he lost a lot of his animal blood... and looking to the loonatics bodies... if they marry humans that can happen...

Is funny... we are creating a theorie with this... jejejejejejee we only need scientist to give us the complete theorie and how that can happen...

Ayelet_Ripley · Frelengian

Oh but I can very well believe that the Loonatics might've had human partners and that they've got human DNA in them.
Although it's Disney, but what comes to mind is Roger and Jessica Rabbit and I don't think I have to say anymore.

Hmmm did you mean 'hare'? Because, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't bunny a cutesy word for rabbit? Usually used for baby rabbits? Bugs Bunny was ofter referred to as 'hare' and his initial design looked wilder than his current one, in which he resembles a rabbit rather than a hare.
Though, I always considered Bugs a rabbit and Lola a hare because of her personality.

Skifox · Frelengian

Duck does NOT have hair. If you look at the flea scene from "Attack of the Fuzz Balls", he VERY CLEARLY has FEATHERS.

I rest my case.

Concerning the hair from the Hunter - The foreign hair was the main concern. Taking time to point out that Duck has feathers would have been wasteful and inefficient, and Tech is neither. It would have been an unnecessary statement of the obvious.

Ayelet - Yes, you're quite right. Bugs's design was based on a hare, but the name 'Bugs Bunny' just sounded better.

Tyranee - There's nothing to suggest that Pierre le Pew or Mr. Leghorn are supposed to be actual descendants of Pepe or Foghorn. WB just based them on the old characters. I also don't think the 'tics have any human ancestry. A anthropomorphized bipedal form does not necessitate a partially human genome. While interspecies attraction certainly happens, interbreeding is likely impossible from a biological standpoint. I'd also not throw the word 'mutant' around so freely. Mutant refers to one aberrant individual, whereas the 'tics' sentient, bipedal form has been established for at least 800 years, making the original mutation (read: evolutionary divergence) from their feral forms irrelevant. If they're still labeled as 'mutants', so should everyone else.

Ayelet_Ripley · Frelengian

Skifox wrote:
While interspecies attraction certainly happens, interbreeding is likely impossible from a biological standpoint.

You're right, but this is still fantasy. The fact that an animal is on the exact same intellectual (and physical) level as a human is absurd, even more so that they've got super powers, but this is what LU is all about, so I wouldn't really say interbreeding wasn't possible in the show. If the writers wanted to portray reality, none of the characters in the impact's proximity would've survived. Personally, I still consider Pierre and Mr. Leghorn descendants of Pepe and the rooster and I do think they've got human DNA. I mean that...there are so many absurd things in the show, that interbreeding sounds more than very possible.

-- Edited by Ayelet_Ripley at 15:45, 2007-04-20

Skifox · Frelengian

Ayelet_Ripley wrote:
You're right, but this is still fantasy.

True, and I've gotten more careful about citing real science in reference to LU debates, but a fair amount of RL biology had already been pulled into the discussion, so it seemed appropriate to me.

In sticking with RL bio for a bit longer, I keep coming back to this - Unless we're suggesting some... interaction between between a human and a feral animal long ago, along with inherent compatibility, the 'tics and their ancestors had to achieve their current state through some natural means. If that's the case, I see no reason why interbreeding is possible, despite the significant physical similarities. It doesn't take very many gene differences to foul up compatibility. The lack of any clear hybrids in the show (meaning two non-human animals or a human/animal with human traits other than being sentient bipeds) also suggests its improbability to me, even though lack of evidence is not necessarily evidence unto itself.

-- Edited by Skifox at 16:49, 2007-04-20

Ayelet_Ripley · Frelengian

Skifox wrote:

True, and I've gotten more careful about citing real science in reference to LU debates, but a fair amount of RL biology had already been pulled into the discussion, so it seemed appropriate to me.

...touchè X)

As for the rest, I see and agree, but stand for what i said, despite that. While I too like to put real life things in fiction, and analyze things from a realistic point of view, I still like it better to unleash my fantasy (pun intended =p), so things don't necessarily need to make sense all the time.

-- Edited by Ayelet_Ripley at 17:00, 2007-04-20

Skifox · Frelengian

Hey, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Heck, I don't even particularly want everyone to agree with me. Where's the fun in a debate if there's no disagreement? ;)

Ayelet_Ripley · Frelengian

Oh, I know! ^_^ Did I turn out like I was trying to defend myself or force my own opinions in that post? Because if that's so, rest assured it's not what I meant.^^ I kept on insisting because I was actually enjoying the debate! ;P
I live by the rule 'agree to disagree' =)

-- Edited by Ayelet_Ripley at 17:50, 2007-04-20

kaejae · LUO's Next Top Poser

Skifox wrote:

Thanks Ski, I just lost breakfast and lunch. You're lucky I didn't have supper yet ;D LOL!

And the poll's votes show that Duck's feet should be black... and all "normal" like XD. Sheesh, talk about close! One vote separating the two X3

Black Oracle · Black Hole Survivor

I think i've just tipped the vote in favour of webbed and orange now, though it was a hard decision considering how Duck's actually been shown to have black legs...

Skifox · Frelengian

Ayelet: Oh, no. I could tell you were into it. It's just force of habit to make it clear that I'm not trying to be belligerent. I'm always afraid I come across too harshly when I'm serious.

Kaejae: *roffles*

Sorry, m'dear. Hope to didn't lose anything that had been too yummy. XP

Maybe you should consider a middle ground - let the feathers go down to his ankles, then give him ducky webbed feet, but make them black. Who's to say feathers are what made them black in the show?

Tyranee · Martian

Skifox wrote:

Duck does NOT have hair. If you look at the flea scene from "Attack of the Fuzz Balls", he VERY CLEARLY has FEATHERS.

I rest my case.

Concerning the hair from the Hunter - The foreign hair was the main concern. Taking time to point out that Duck has feathers would have been wasteful and inefficient, and Tech is neither. It would have been an unnecessary statement of the obvious.

Ayelet - Yes, you're quite right. Bugs's design was based on a hare, but the name 'Bugs Bunny' just sounded better.

Tyranee - There's nothing to suggest that Pierre le Pew or Mr. Leghorn are supposed to be actual descendants of Pepe or Foghorn. WB just based them on the old characters. I also don't think the 'tics have any human ancestry. A anthropomorphized bipedal form does not necessitate a partially human genome. While interspecies attraction certainly happens, interbreeding is likely impossible from a biological standpoint. I'd also not throw the word 'mutant' around so freely. Mutant refers to one aberrant individual, whereas the 'tics' sentient, bipedal form has been established for at least 800 years, making the original mutation (read: evolutionary divergence) from their feral forms irrelevant. If they're still labeled as 'mutants', so should everyone else.

Wow... so he has feather...

Mutant is not an aberration... is something normal.. we human have mutations... like now we are taller that people 500 years ago... or that we are diferents of the humans 10000 years ago...

Thanks about the explainations about Duck. I saw hair because my TV has some problems when I saw that Chapter (can someone submit the first season in Dailymotion???)

Skifox · Frelengian

Tyranee wrote:

Mutant is not an aberration... is something normal.. we human have mutations... like now we are taller that people 500 years ago... or that we are diferents of the humans 10000 years ago...

Well, yes they are - a random, unexpected variation from the norm is an aberration. Both 'aberration' and 'mutant' are generally used for a single individual, and yes, both occur quite frequently in nature, being the mechanism for evolution. That humans have changed through mutations is precisely my point. If the 'tics still get labeled as 'mutants', then humans should rightfully be called mutants as well.

Tyranee · Martian

Skifox wrote:

Tyranee wrote:

Mutant is not an aberration... is something normal.. we human have mutations... like now we are taller that people 500 years ago... or that we are diferents of the humans 10000 years ago...

Well, yes they are - a random, unexpected variation from the norm is an aberration. Both 'aberration' and 'mutant' are generally used for a single individual, and yes, both occur quite frequently in nature, being the mechanism for evolution. That humans have changed through mutations is precisely my point. If the 'tics still get labeled as 'mutants', then humans should rightfully be called mutants as well.

Bonne réponse!!!

Lumosnight · Loonatic

At least we can be sure now that Duck has feathers!

Btw, I didn't know that fleas actually attacked birds. I know birds have problems with lice infestation, but not fleas.

Reminds me Lexi commenting 'Duck cooties!' (cooties are the American word for lice, right?)

-- Edited by Lumosnight at 06:17, 2007-04-21

Skifox · Frelengian

Lumosnight wrote:
(cooties are the American word for lice, right?)

Not really. 'Cooties' are imaginary germ-like things. Since children usually avoid physical contact with peers of the opposite sex, they justify it by saying they'll 'get cooties'. Being specific about who's cooties they've supposedly been infected with (like "Duck cooties") is pretty common.

We usually just call lice 'lice', but it wouldn't surprise me if very young children made a cootie reference from time to time.